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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 07/13] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2026 14:47:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEvNRgEz0+ic9uvcsWYqWgR5EV=TfY0SAGC39zAL+n19SoBXmw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ee9c649eed3893d852c3d20fb96bdc4904b7c295.camel@intel.com>

"Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com> writes:

> On Thu, 2026-01-22 at 08:44 -0800, Ackerley Tng wrote:
>>
>> Can we disable direct map removal for errata systems using TDX only,
>> instead of all TDX?
>>
>> If it's complicated to figure that out, we can disable direct map
>> removal for TDX for now and figure that out later.
>
> In theory, but it still would require changes to TDX code since it does
> the clflush unconditionally today. To know whether clflush is needed
> (it's a different thing to the errata), you need to check a TDX module
> flag. (CLFLUSH_BEFORE_ALLOC)
>
> Gosh, you know what, I should double check that we don't need the
> clflush from the vm shutdown optimization. It should be a different
> thing, but for we gave scrutiny to the whole Linux flow when we did
> that. So I'd have to double check nothing relied on it. We can follow
> up here.
>
>>
>> > Then there is the clfush. It is not actually required for the most
>> > part. There is a TDX flag to check to see if you need to do it, so
>> > we could probably remove the direct map accesses for some systems
>> > and avoid temporary mappings.
>> >
>> > So long term, I don't see a problem. For the old systems it would
>> > have extra cost of temporary mappings at shutdown, but I would have
>> > imagined direct map removal would have been costly too.
>>
>> Is there a way to check if the code is running on the errata system
>> and set up the temporary mappings only for those?
>
> The TDX code today doesn't do any remapping because the direct map is
> reliably present. There isn't a flag or anything to just do the
> remapping automatically. We would have to do some vmalloc mapping or
> temporary_mm or something.
>
> Can you explain what the use case is for unmapping encrypted TDX
> private memory from the host direct map?

There's no use case I can think of for unmapping TDX private memory from
the host direct map, but Sean's suggestion
https://lore.kernel.org/all/aWpcDrGVLrZOqdcg@google.com/ won't even let
shared guest_memfd memory be unmapped from the direct map for TDX VMs.

Actually, does TDX's clflush that assumes presence in the direct map
apply only for private pages, or all pages?

If TDX's clflush only happens for private pages, then we could restore
private pages to the direct map, and then we'd be safe even for TDX?


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-22 22:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-14 13:45 [PATCH v9 00/13] Direct Map Removal Support for guest_memfd Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-14 13:45 ` [PATCH v9 01/13] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-15 10:54   ` Huacai Chen
2026-01-15 11:03     ` [PATCH v9 01/13] set_memory: add folio_{zap, restore}_direct_map helpers Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-15 12:12   ` [PATCH v9 01/13] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Heiko Carstens
2026-01-15 15:25     ` [PATCH v9 01/13] set_memory: add folio_{zap, restore}_direct_map helpers Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-15 15:55   ` [PATCH v9 01/13] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-15 17:45     ` [PATCH v9 01/13] set_memory: add folio_{zap, restore}_direct_map helpers Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-15 20:05       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 21:07   ` [PATCH v9 01/13] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 13:45 ` [PATCH v9 02/13] mm/gup: drop secretmem optimization from gup_fast_folio_allowed Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-15 20:04   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 21:40   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-16 14:55     ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-22  0:20       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 13:45 ` [PATCH v9 03/13] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-15 21:42   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 13:45 ` [PATCH v9 04/13] KVM: guest_memfd: Add stub for kvm_arch_gmem_invalidate Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-15 21:47   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 13:46 ` [PATCH v9 05/13] KVM: x86: define kvm_arch_gmem_supports_no_direct_map() Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-15 21:48   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 13:46 ` [PATCH v9 06/13] KVM: arm64: " Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-14 13:46 ` [PATCH v9 07/13] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-15 20:00   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-16 14:56     ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-22 16:34       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-22 18:04         ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-22 20:30           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-22 20:40             ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-15 23:04   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 15:02     ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-16 15:35       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 15:41         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 17:32           ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-16 17:51           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 17:30     ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-16 17:51       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-22 16:44         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-22 17:35           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-22 22:47             ` Ackerley Tng [this message]
2026-01-23  0:01               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-28  0:29                 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-16  0:00   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 15:00     ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-16 15:34       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 17:28         ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-16 17:36           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 17:51             ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-16 18:10               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 18:16                 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-22 18:37       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-22 18:47         ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-26 16:56         ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-28  0:21           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 13:46 ` [PATCH v9 08/13] KVM: selftests: load elf via bounce buffer Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-14 13:46 ` [PATCH v9 09/13] KVM: selftests: set KVM_MEM_GUEST_MEMFD in vm_mem_add() if guest_memfd != -1 Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-15 19:39   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-16 15:00     ` Nikita Kalyazin
2026-01-14 13:47 ` [PATCH v9 10/13] KVM: selftests: Add guest_memfd based vm_mem_backing_src_types Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-14 13:47 ` [PATCH v9 11/13] KVM: selftests: cover GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_NO_DIRECT_MAP in existing selftests Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-14 13:47 ` [PATCH v9 12/13] KVM: selftests: stuff vm_mem_backing_src_type into vm_shape Kalyazin, Nikita
2026-01-14 13:47 ` [PATCH v9 13/13] KVM: selftests: Test guest execution from direct map removed gmem Kalyazin, Nikita

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