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From: James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	 Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	 Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>,
	 "Zach O'Keefe" <zokeefe@google.com>,
	Manish Mishra <manish.mishra@nutanix.com>,
	 Naoya Horiguchi <naoya.horiguchi@nec.com>,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	 "Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	 Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
	 Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 21/46] hugetlb: use struct hugetlb_pte for walk_hugetlb_range
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 15:11:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADrL8HUdg1Fr=tLEQRkDjeTzNzzSM6EPhvDgzURxSZSBMLgjoQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <06423461-c543-56fe-cc63-cabda6871104@redhat.com>

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 2:17 AM David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On 12.01.23 22:33, Peter Xu wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 04:17:52PM -0500, James Houghton wrote:
> >> I'll look into it, but doing it this way will use _mapcount, so we
> >> won't be able to use the vmemmap optimization. I think even if we do
> >> use Hugh's approach, refcount is still being kept on the head page, so
> >> there's still an overflow risk there (but maybe I am
> >> misunderstanding).
> >
> > Could you remind me what's the issue if using refcount on the small pages
> > rather than the head (assuming vmemmap still can be disabled)?
>
> The THP-way of doing things is refcounting on the head page. All folios
> use a single refcount on the head.
>
> There has to be a pretty good reason to do it differently.

Peter and I have discussed this a lot offline. There are two main problems here:

1. Refcount overflow

Refcount is always kept on the head page (before and after this
series). IIUC, this means that if THPs could be 1G in size, they too
would be susceptible to the same potential overflow. How easy is the
overflow? [1]

To deal with this, the best solution we've been able to come up with
is to check if refcount is > INT_MAX/2 (similar to try_get_page()),
and if it is, stop the operation (UFFDIO_CONTINUE or a page fault)
from proceeding. In the UFFDIO_CONTINUE case, return ENOMEM. In the
page fault cause, return VM_FAULT_SIGBUS (not VM_FAULT_OOM; we don't
want to kill a random process).

(So David, I think this answers your question. Refcount should be
handled just like THPs.)

2. page_mapcount() API differences

In this series, page_mapcount() returns the total number of page table
references for the compound page. For example, if you have a
PTE-mapped 2M page (with no other mappings), page_mapcount() for each
4K page will be 512. This is not the same as a THP: page_mapcount()
would return 1 for each page. Because of the difference in
page_mapcount(), we have 4 problems:

i. Smaps uses page_mapcount() >= 2 to determine if hugetlb memory is
"private_hugetlb" or "shared_hugetlb".
ii. Migration with MPOL_MF_MOVE will check page_mapcount() to see if
the hugepage is shared or not. Pages that would otherwise be migrated
now require MPOL_MF_MOVE_ALL to be migrated.
[Really both of the above are checking how many VMAs are mapping our hugepage.]
iii. CoW. This isn't a problem right now because CoW is only possible
with MAP_PRIVATE VMAs and HGM can only be enabled for MAP_SHARED VMAs.
iv. The hwpoison handling code will check if it successfully unmapped
the poisoned page. This isn't a problem right now, as hwpoison will
unmap all the mappings for the hugepage, not just the 4K where the
poison was found.

Doing it this way allows HGM to remain compatible with the hugetlb
vmemmap optimization. None of the above problems strike me as
particularly major, but it's unclear to me how important it is to have
page_mapcount() have a consistent meaning for hugetlb vs non-hugetlb.

The other way page_mapcount() (let's say the "THP-like way") could be
done is like this: increment compound mapcount if we're mapping a
hugetlb page normally (e.g., 1G page with a PUD). If we're mapping at
high-granularity, increment the mapcount for each 4K page that is
getting mapped (e.g., PMD within a 1G page: increment the mapcount for
the 512 pages that are now mapped). This yields the same
page_mapcount() API we had before, but we lose the hugetlb vmemmap
optimization.

We could introduce an API like hugetlb_vma_mapcount() that would, for
hugetlb, give us the number of VMAs that map a hugepage, but I don't
think people would like this.

I'm curious what others think (Mike, Matthew?). I'm guessing the
THP-like way is probably what most people would want, though it would
be a real shame to lose the vmemmap optimization.

- James

[1] INT_MAX is 2^31. We increment the refcount once for each 4K
mapping in 1G: that's 512 * 512 (2^18). That means we only need 8192
(2^13) VMAs for the same 1G page to overflow refcount. I think it's
safe to say that if userspace is doing this, they are attempting to
overflow refcount.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-17 23:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-05 10:17 [PATCH 00/46] Based on latest mm-unstable (85b44c25cd1e) James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:17 ` [PATCH 01/46] hugetlb: don't set PageUptodate for UFFDIO_CONTINUE James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 02/46] hugetlb: remove mk_huge_pte; it is unused James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 03/46] hugetlb: remove redundant pte_mkhuge in migration path James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 04/46] hugetlb: only adjust address ranges when VMAs want PMD sharing James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 05/46] hugetlb: add CONFIG_HUGETLB_HIGH_GRANULARITY_MAPPING James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 06/46] mm: add VM_HUGETLB_HGM VMA flag James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 07/46] hugetlb: rename __vma_shareable_flags_pmd to __vma_has_hugetlb_vma_lock James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 08/46] hugetlb: add HugeTLB HGM enablement helpers James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 09/46] mm: add MADV_SPLIT to enable HugeTLB HGM James Houghton
2023-01-05 15:05   ` kernel test robot
2023-01-05 15:29   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-10  0:01     ` Zach O'Keefe
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 10/46] hugetlb: make huge_pte_lockptr take an explicit shift argument James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 11/46] hugetlb: add hugetlb_pte to track HugeTLB page table entries James Houghton
2023-01-05 16:06   ` kernel test robot
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 12/46] hugetlb: add hugetlb_alloc_pmd and hugetlb_alloc_pte James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 13/46] hugetlb: add hugetlb_hgm_walk and hugetlb_walk_step James Houghton
2023-01-05 16:57   ` kernel test robot
2023-01-05 18:58   ` kernel test robot
2023-01-11 21:51   ` Peter Xu
2023-01-12 13:38     ` James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 14/46] hugetlb: add make_huge_pte_with_shift James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 15/46] hugetlb: make default arch_make_huge_pte understand small mappings James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 16/46] hugetlbfs: do a full walk to check if vma maps a page James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 17/46] hugetlb: make unmapping compatible with high-granularity mappings James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 18/46] hugetlb: add HGM support for hugetlb_change_protection James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 19/46] hugetlb: add HGM support for follow_hugetlb_page James Houghton
2023-01-05 22:26   ` Peter Xu
2023-01-12 18:02   ` Peter Xu
2023-01-12 18:06     ` James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 20/46] hugetlb: add HGM support for hugetlb_follow_page_mask James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 21/46] hugetlb: use struct hugetlb_pte for walk_hugetlb_range James Houghton
2023-01-05 22:42   ` Peter Xu
2023-01-11 22:58   ` Peter Xu
2023-01-12 14:06     ` James Houghton
2023-01-12 15:29       ` Peter Xu
2023-01-12 16:45         ` James Houghton
2023-01-12 16:55           ` James Houghton
2023-01-12 20:27           ` Peter Xu
2023-01-12 21:17             ` James Houghton
2023-01-12 21:33               ` Peter Xu
2023-01-16 10:17                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-17 23:11                   ` James Houghton [this message]
2023-01-18  9:43                     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-18 15:35                       ` Peter Xu
2023-01-18 16:39                         ` James Houghton
2023-01-18 18:21                           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-18 19:28                           ` Mike Kravetz
2023-01-19 16:57                             ` James Houghton
2023-01-19 17:31                               ` Mike Kravetz
2023-01-19 19:42                                 ` James Houghton
2023-01-19 20:53                                   ` Peter Xu
2023-01-19 22:45                                     ` James Houghton
2023-01-19 22:00                                   ` Mike Kravetz
2023-01-19 22:23                                     ` Peter Xu
2023-01-19 22:35                                       ` James Houghton
2023-01-19 23:07                                         ` Peter Xu
2023-01-19 23:26                                           ` James Houghton
2023-01-20 17:23                                             ` Peter Xu
2023-01-19 23:44                                           ` Mike Kravetz
2023-01-23 15:19                                             ` Peter Xu
2023-01-23 17:49                                               ` Mike Kravetz
2023-01-26 16:58                                   ` James Houghton
2023-01-26 20:30                                     ` Peter Xu
2023-01-27 21:02                                       ` James Houghton
2023-01-30 17:29                                         ` Peter Xu
2023-01-30 18:38                                           ` James Houghton
2023-01-30 21:14                                             ` Peter Xu
2023-02-01  0:24                                               ` James Houghton
2023-02-01  1:24                                                 ` Peter Xu
2023-02-01 15:45                                                   ` James Houghton
2023-02-01 15:56                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-01 17:58                                                       ` James Houghton
2023-02-01 18:01                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-01 16:22                                                     ` Peter Xu
2023-02-01 21:32                                                       ` James Houghton
2023-02-01 21:51                                                         ` Peter Xu
2023-02-02  0:24                                                           ` James Houghton
2023-02-07 16:30                                                             ` James Houghton
2023-02-07 22:46                                                               ` James Houghton
2023-02-07 23:13                                                                 ` Peter Xu
2023-02-08  0:26                                                                   ` James Houghton
2023-02-08 16:16                                                                     ` Peter Xu
2023-02-09 16:43                                                                       ` James Houghton
2023-02-09 19:10                                                                         ` Peter Xu
2023-02-09 19:49                                                                           ` James Houghton
2023-02-09 20:22                                                                             ` Peter Xu
2023-01-18 17:08                         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 22/46] mm: rmap: provide pte_order in page_vma_mapped_walk James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 23/46] mm: rmap: make page_vma_mapped_walk callers use pte_order James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 24/46] rmap: update hugetlb lock comment for HGM James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 25/46] hugetlb: update page_vma_mapped to do high-granularity walks James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 26/46] hugetlb: add HGM support for copy_hugetlb_page_range James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 27/46] hugetlb: add HGM support for move_hugetlb_page_tables James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 28/46] hugetlb: add HGM support for hugetlb_fault and hugetlb_no_page James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 29/46] rmap: in try_to_{migrate,unmap}_one, check head page for page flags James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 30/46] hugetlb: add high-granularity migration support James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 31/46] hugetlb: sort hstates in hugetlb_init_hstates James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 32/46] hugetlb: add for_each_hgm_shift James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 33/46] hugetlb: userfaultfd: add support for high-granularity UFFDIO_CONTINUE James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 34/46] hugetlb: userfaultfd: when using MADV_SPLIT, round addresses to PAGE_SIZE James Houghton
2023-01-06 15:13   ` Peter Xu
2023-01-10 14:50     ` James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 35/46] hugetlb: add MADV_COLLAPSE for hugetlb James Houghton
2023-01-10 20:04   ` James Houghton
2023-01-17 21:06   ` Peter Xu
2023-01-17 21:38     ` James Houghton
2023-01-17 21:54       ` Peter Xu
2023-01-19 22:37   ` Peter Xu
2023-01-19 23:06     ` James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 36/46] hugetlb: remove huge_pte_lock and huge_pte_lockptr James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 37/46] hugetlb: replace make_huge_pte with make_huge_pte_with_shift James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 38/46] mm: smaps: add stats for HugeTLB mapping size James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 39/46] hugetlb: x86: enable high-granularity mapping James Houghton
2023-01-12 20:07   ` James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 40/46] docs: hugetlb: update hugetlb and userfaultfd admin-guides with HGM info James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 41/46] docs: proc: include information about HugeTLB HGM James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 42/46] selftests/vm: add HugeTLB HGM to userfaultfd selftest James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 43/46] selftests/kvm: add HugeTLB HGM to KVM demand paging selftest James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 44/46] selftests/vm: add anon and shared hugetlb to migration test James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 45/46] selftests/vm: add hugetlb HGM test to migration selftest James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:18 ` [PATCH 46/46] selftests/vm: add HGM UFFDIO_CONTINUE and hwpoison tests James Houghton
2023-01-05 10:47 ` [PATCH 00/46] Based on latest mm-unstable (85b44c25cd1e) David Hildenbrand
2023-01-09 19:53   ` Mike Kravetz
2023-01-10 15:47     ` David Hildenbrand

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