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From: Vernon Yang <vernon2gm@gmail.com>
To: david@kernel.org, Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	baohua@kernel.org,  dev.jain@arm.com
Cc: lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, ziy@nvidia.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Vernon Yang <yanglincheng@kylinos.cn>,
	 akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH mm-new v5 4/5] mm: khugepaged: skip lazy-free folios
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2026 11:22:26 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACZaFFNY8+UKLzBGnmB3ij9amzBdKJgytcSNtA8fLCake8Ua=A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8fb6cba3-681a-4e63-9409-d35ab628d42c@linux.dev>

On Sat, Jan 24, 2026 at 12:32 AM Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev> wrote:
>
> On 2026/1/23 23:08, Vernon Yang wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 5:09 PM Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2026/1/23 16:22, Vernon Yang wrote:
> >>> From: Vernon Yang <yanglincheng@kylinos.cn>
> >>>
>
> [...]
>
> >>> @@ -583,6 +584,11 @@ static enum scan_result __collapse_huge_page_isolate(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
> >>>                folio = page_folio(page);
> >>>                VM_BUG_ON_FOLIO(!folio_test_anon(folio), folio);
> >>>
> >>> +             if (!pte_dirty(pteval) && folio_test_lazyfree(folio)) {
> >>
> >> I'm wondering if we need "cc->is_khugepaged &&" as well here?
> >>
> >> We should allow users to enforce collapse via the madvise_collapse()
> >> path even if pages are marked lazyfree, IMHO.
> >
> > $ man madvise
> > MADV_COLLAPSE
> >          Perform a best-effort synchronous collapse of the native pages
> >          mapped by the memory range into Transparent Huge Pages (THPs).
> >
> > The semantics of MADV_COLLAPSE are best-effort and do not imply to enforce
> > collapsing, so we don't need "cc->is_khugepaged" here.
> >
> > We can imagine that if a user simultaneously uses MADV_FREE and
> > MADV_COLLAPSE, it indicates a misunderstanding of their semantics.
> > As the kernel, we need to safeguard the baseline.
>
> No. Afraid I don't think so.
>
> To be clear, what I meant by "enforce":
>
> Yep, MADV_COLLAPSE is best-effort - it can fail. But when users
> call MADV_COLLAPSE, they're explicitly asking for collapse.
>
> Compared to khugepaged just scanning around, that's already "enforce"
> - users are actively requesting it, not passively waiting for.
>
> Note that you're *breaking* userspace. Users would not be able
> to collapse the range where there are any lazyfree pages anymore,
> even when they explicitly call MADV_COLLAPSE.
>
> For khugepaged, skipping lazyfree makes sense.

I got your meaning, this is equivalent to two questions:

1. Does the semantics of best-effort imply any "enforce" meaning?
2. When madvise(MADV_FREE| MADV_COLLAPSE), do we want to collapse
   lazyfree folios?

This is a semantic warning, and I'd like to hear others' opinions.

> >
> >>> +                     result = SCAN_PAGE_LAZYFREE;
> >>> +                     goto out;
> >>> +             }
> >>> +
> >>>                /* See hpage_collapse_scan_pmd(). */
> >>>                if (folio_maybe_mapped_shared(folio)) {
> >>>                        ++shared;
> >>> @@ -1330,6 +1336,11 @@ static enum scan_result hpage_collapse_scan_pmd(struct mm_struct *mm,
> >>>                }
> >>>                folio = page_folio(page);
> >>>
> >>> +             if (!pte_dirty(pteval) && folio_test_lazyfree(folio)) {
> >>
> >> Ditto.
> >>
> >>> +                     result = SCAN_PAGE_LAZYFREE;
> >>> +                     goto out_unmap;
> >>> +             }
> >>> +
> >>>                if (!folio_test_anon(folio)) {
> >>>                        result = SCAN_PAGE_ANON;
> >>>                        goto out_unmap;
> >>
>


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-24  3:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-23  8:22 [PATCH mm-new v5 0/5] Improve khugepaged scan logic Vernon Yang
2026-01-23  8:22 ` [PATCH mm-new v5 1/5] mm: khugepaged: add trace_mm_khugepaged_scan event Vernon Yang
2026-01-23 10:25   ` Dev Jain
2026-01-23  8:22 ` [PATCH mm-new v5 2/5] mm: khugepaged: refine scan progress number Vernon Yang
2026-01-23 10:46   ` Dev Jain
2026-01-23 15:25     ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-23 15:19   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-23 15:29     ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-28  8:29   ` Dev Jain
2026-01-28 14:34     ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-29  5:35       ` Dev Jain
2026-01-29  7:59         ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-29  8:32           ` Dev Jain
2026-01-29 12:24             ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-29 12:46               ` Dev Jain
2026-01-29  9:18         ` Lance Yang
2026-01-29 12:28           ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-23  8:22 ` [PATCH mm-new v5 3/5] mm: add folio_test_lazyfree helper Vernon Yang
2026-01-23 10:54   ` Dev Jain
2026-01-26  1:52   ` Barry Song
2026-01-23  8:22 ` [PATCH mm-new v5 4/5] mm: khugepaged: skip lazy-free folios Vernon Yang
2026-01-23  9:09   ` Lance Yang
2026-01-23 15:08     ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-23 16:32       ` Lance Yang
2026-01-24  3:22         ` Vernon Yang [this message]
2026-01-24  6:48           ` Dev Jain
2026-01-26  2:06             ` Barry Song
2026-01-23  8:22 ` [PATCH mm-new v5 5/5] mm: khugepaged: set to next mm direct when mm has MMF_DISABLE_THP_COMPLETELY Vernon Yang
2026-01-23 12:40   ` Dev Jain
2026-01-23 15:32     ` Vernon Yang
2026-01-26  2:18     ` Barry Song

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