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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/6] PM / Runtime: introduce pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio()
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:51:13 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACVXFVN9RSU+j48cDVqc5mL=++y0BLc58BBRSxa_OWysysqQeg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2254856.YsOm9y7BK1@vostro.rjw.lan>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
>
> Well, it may be unfrequent, but does it mean it has to do things that may
> be avoided (ie. walking the children of every node in the path in some cases)?

I agree so without introducing extra cost, :-)

> I don't really think that the counters would cost us that much anyway.

On ARM v7, sizeof(struct device) becomes 376 from 368 after introducing
'unsigned int            noio_cnt;' to 'struct dev_pm_info', and total memory
increases about 3752bytes in a small configuration(about 494 device instance).
The actual memory increase should be more than the data because 'struct device'
is generally embedded into other concrete device structure.

>> Also looks the current implementation of pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio()
>> is simple and clean enough with the flag, IMO.
>
> I know you always know better. :-)

We still need to consider cost and the function calling frequency, :-)

>
>> > I would use the flag only to store the information that
>> > pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio(dev, true) has been run for this device directly
>> > and I'd use a counter for everything else.
>> >
>> > That is, have power.memalloc_count that would be incremented when (1)
>> > pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio(dev, true) is called for that device and (2) when
>> > power.memalloc_count for one of its children changes from 0 to 1 (and
>> > analogously for decrementation).  Then, check the counter in rpm_callback().
>>
>> Sorry, could you explain in a bit detail why we need the counter? Looks only
>> checking the flag in rpm_callback() is enough, doesn't it?
>
> Why would I want to use power.memalloc_count in addition to the
> power.memalloc_noio flag?
>
> Consider this:
>
> pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio(dev):
>         return if power.memalloc_noio is set
>         set power.memalloc_noio
>   loop:
>         increment power.memalloc_count
>         if power.memalloc_count is 1 now switch to parent and go to loop

I am wondering if the above should be changed to below because the child
count of memalloc_noio device need to be recorded.

pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio(dev):
         return if power.memalloc_noio is set
         set power.memalloc_noio
loop:
         increment power.memalloc_count
         switch to parent and go to loop

So pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio(dev) will become worse than
the improved pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio(dev, true), which
can return immediately if one dev or parent's flag is true.

> pm_runtime_clear_memalloc_noio(dev):
>         return if power.memalloc_noio is unset
>         unset power.memalloc_noio
>   loop:
>         decrement power.memalloc_count
>         if power.memalloc_count is 0 now switch to parent and go to loop

The above will perform well than pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio(dev, false),
because the above avoids to walk children of device.

So one becomes worse and another becomes better, :-)

Also the children count of one device is generally very small, less than
10 for most devices, see the data obtained in one common x86 pc(thinkpad
t410) from below link:

        http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~ming/up/t410-dev-child-cnt.log

- about 8 devices whose child count is more than 10, top three are 18, 17 ,12,
and all the three are root devices.

- about 117 devices whose child count is between 1 and 9

- other 501 devices whose child count is zero

>From above data, walking device children should have not much effect on
performance of pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio(), which is also called in
very infrequent path.

> Looks kind of simpler, doesn't it?

Looks simpler, but more code lines than single
pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio(), :-)

>
> And why rpm_callback() should check power.memalloc_count instead of the count?
> Because power.memalloc_noio will only be set for devices that
> pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio(dev) was called for directly (not necessarily for
> the parents).
>
> And that works even if someone calls any of them twice in a row for the same
> device (presumably by mistake) and doesn't have to make any assumptions
> about devices it is called for.

IMO, we can ignore the mistake usage because the function is called only
in network/block core code currently, not by individual driver.

>
>> > Besides, don't you need to check children for the arg device itself?
>>
>> It isn't needed since the children of network/block device can't be
>> involved of the deadlock in runtime PM path.
>>
>> Also, the function is only called by network device or block device
>> subsystem, both the two kind of device are class device and should
>> have no children.
>
> OK, so not walking the arg device's children is an optimization related to
> some assumptions regarding who's supposed to use this routine.  That should
> be clearly documented.

I think the patch already documents it in the comment of
pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio().

Thanks,
--
Ming Lei

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-28 13:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-24 12:59 [PATCH v6 0/6] solve deadlock caused by memory allocation with I/O Ming Lei
2012-11-24 12:59 ` [PATCH v6 1/6] mm: teach mm by current context info to not do I/O during memory allocation Ming Lei
2012-11-24 12:59 ` [PATCH v6 2/6] PM / Runtime: introduce pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio() Ming Lei
2012-11-27 21:19   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-27 21:46     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28  3:57     ` Ming Lei
2012-11-28 10:06       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28 13:51         ` Ming Lei [this message]
2012-11-28  4:34     ` Ming Lei
2012-11-28  9:29       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28  9:47         ` Ming Lei
2012-11-28 10:15           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-24 12:59 ` [PATCH v6 3/6] block/genhd.c: apply pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio on block devices Ming Lei
2012-11-24 12:59 ` [PATCH v6 4/6] net/core: apply pm_runtime_set_memalloc_noio on network devices Ming Lei
2012-11-24 12:59 ` [PATCH v6 5/6] PM / Runtime: force memory allocation with no I/O during Runtime PM callbcack Ming Lei
2012-11-27 21:24   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-28  3:06     ` Ming Lei
2012-11-24 12:59 ` [PATCH v6 6/6] USB: forbid memory allocation with I/O during bus reset Ming Lei
2012-11-27 20:25 ` [PATCH v6 0/6] solve deadlock caused by memory allocation with I/O Andrew Morton

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