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From: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
To: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	Andrey Ryabinin <ryabinin.a.a@gmail.com>,
	 Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@gmail.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	kasan-dev@googlegroups.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jslaby@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kasan: distinguish kasan report from generic BUG()
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 08:15:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACT4Y+aZ_qtMXYiWgLmEgpceookbwUAtKq33rspc+XJNQg4y9A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANpmjNOHN7SWu-pKGr9EBb3=in2AWiGmqNb6sYwhebGtRk+1uQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 19:06, Marco Elver <elver@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 18:41, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > From: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
> >
> > The typical KASAN report always begins with
> >
> >         BUG: KASAN: ....
> >
> > in kernel log. That 'BUG:' prefix creates a false impression that it's an
> > actual BUG() codepath being executed, and as such things like
> > 'panic_on_oops' etc. would work on it as expected; but that's obviously
> > not the case.
> >
> > Switch the order of prefixes to make this distinction clear and avoid
> > confusion.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
>
> I'm afraid writing "KASAN: BUG: " doesn't really tell me this is a
> non-BUG() vs. "BUG: KASAN". Using this ordering ambiguity to try and
> resolve human confusion just adds more confusion.
>
> The bigger problem is a whole bunch of testing tools rely on the
> existing order, which has been like this for years -- changing it now
> just adds unnecessary churn. For example syzkaller, which looks for
> "BUG: <tool>: report".
>
> Changing the order would have to teach all kinds of testing tools to
> look for different strings. The same format is also used by other
> dynamic analysis tools, such as KCSAN, and KFENCE, for the simple
> reason that it's an established format and testing tools don't need to
> be taught new tricks.

Yes, lots of kernel testing systems may be looking just for "BUG:" and
start missing KASAN bugs. Or they may be doing more special things
when they see the current "BUG: KASAN:".

> Granted, there is a subtle inconsistency wrt. panic_on_oops, in that
> the debugging tools do use panic_on_warn instead, since their
> reporting behaviour is more like a WARN. But I'd also not want to
> prefix them with "WARNING" either, since all reports are serious bugs
> and shouldn't be ignored. KASAN has more fine-grained control on when
> to panic, see Documentation/dev-tools/kasan.rst.
>
> If the problem is potentially confusing people, I think the better
> solution is to simply document all kernel error reports and their
> panic-behaviour (and flags affecting panic-behaviour) in a central
> place in Documentation/.
>
> Thanks,
> -- Marco


      reply	other threads:[~2021-11-25  7:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-24 17:41 Jiri Kosina
2021-11-24 18:04 ` Jiri Slaby
2021-11-24 18:06 ` Marco Elver
2021-11-25  7:15   ` Dmitry Vyukov [this message]

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