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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 07/14] khwasan: add tag related helper functions
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 10:09:43 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACT4Y+Yqm+fa-LaVom+61HBpy_oRiKj2VED=5+R-6PySjs+_3g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1803071215050.6373@nuc-kabylake>
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018, Andrey Konovalov wrote:
>
>> >> + u32 state = this_cpu_read(prng_state);
>> >> +
>> >> + state = 1664525 * state + 1013904223;
>> >> + this_cpu_write(prng_state, state);
>> >
>> > Have you considered preemption here? Is the assumption that it happens
>> > sufficiently rarely that cross-contaminating the prng state isn't a
>> > problem?
>>
>> Hi Mark!
>>
>> Yes, I have. If a preemption happens between this_cpu_read and
>> this_cpu_write, the only side effect is that we'll give a few
>> allocated in different contexts objects the same tag. Sine KHWASAN is
>> meant to be used a probabilistic bug-detection debug feature, this
>> doesn't seem to have serious negative impact.
>>
>> I'll add a comment about this though.
>
> You could use this_cpu_cmpxchg here to make it a bit better but it
> probably does not matter.
Hi,
The non-atomic RMW sequence is not just "doesn't seem to have serious
negative impact", it in fact has positive effect.
Ideally the tags use strong randomness to prevent any attempts to
predict them during explicit exploit attempts. But strong randomness
is expensive, and we did an intentional trade-off to use a PRNG (may
potentially be revised in future, but for now we don't have enough
info to do it). In this context, interrupts that randomly skew PRNG at
unpredictable points do only good. cmpxchg would also lead to skewing,
but non-atomic sequence allows more non-determinism (and maybe a dash
less expensive?). This probably deserves a comment, though.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-03-08 9:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-03-02 19:44 [RFC PATCH 00/14] khwasan: kernel hardware assisted address sanitizer Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 01/14] khwasan: change kasan hooks signatures Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 02/14] khwasan: move common kasan and khwasan code to common.c Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 03/14] khwasan: add CONFIG_KASAN_CLASSIC and CONFIG_KASAN_TAGS Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 04/14] khwasan: adjust shadow size for CONFIG_KASAN_TAGS Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 05/14] khwasan: initialize shadow to 0xff Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 21:55 ` Evgenii Stepanov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 06/14] khwasan: enable top byte ignore for the kernel Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-05 14:29 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-09 18:15 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-05 14:36 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-06 14:24 ` Marc Zyngier
2018-03-09 18:21 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 18:32 ` Marc Zyngier
2018-03-09 18:42 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 19:06 ` Marc Zyngier
2018-03-09 19:16 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-09 19:14 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-09 18:17 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 18:59 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 07/14] khwasan: add tag related helper functions Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-05 14:32 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-06 18:31 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-07 18:16 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-08 9:09 ` Dmitry Vyukov [this message]
2018-03-08 11:20 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 08/14] khwasan: perform untagged pointers comparison in krealloc Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-05 14:39 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-06 18:33 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 09/14] khwasan: add hooks implementation Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-05 14:44 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-06 18:38 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-08 11:25 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-09 18:10 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-13 15:05 ` Alexander Potapenko
2018-03-13 17:00 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-15 16:52 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-03-16 18:09 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-16 18:16 ` Evgenii Stepanov
2018-03-16 18:24 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-16 18:45 ` Evgenii Stepanov
2018-03-16 19:06 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-16 20:21 ` Evgenii Stepanov
2018-03-20 0:44 ` Anthony Yznaga
2018-03-20 13:43 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 10/14] khwasan: add bug reporting routines Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 11/14] khwasan: add brk handler for inline instrumentation Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-05 14:51 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-23 15:59 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-24 3:42 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-03-26 9:36 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-27 13:03 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 12/14] khwasan, jbd2: add khwasan annotations Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 13/14] khwasan: update kasan documentation Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-02 19:44 ` [RFC PATCH 14/14] khwasan: default the instrumentation mode to inline Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-05 14:54 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-09 18:06 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-09 19:18 ` Mark Rutland
2018-03-12 13:10 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-13 14:44 ` Alexander Potapenko
2018-03-13 16:49 ` Andrey Konovalov
2018-03-04 9:16 ` [RFC PATCH 00/14] khwasan: kernel hardware assisted address sanitizer Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-03-04 11:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-03-04 15:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-03-06 18:21 ` Andrey Konovalov
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