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From: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Tobin C. Harding" <me@tobin.cc>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	syzbot
	<bot+719398b443fd30155f92f2a888e749026c62b427@syzkaller.appspotmail.com>,
	David Windsor <dave@nullcore.net>,
	keun-o.park@darkmatter.ae, Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Subject: Re: BUG: bad usercopy in memdup_user
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:12:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACT4Y+YC51waTR6DQE1QQMrSrdYoYnPOGvmbhGZcOieC=ccvXg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201712192308.HJJ05711.SHQFVFLOMFOOJt@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Tetsuo Handa
<penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp> wrote:
> Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
>> >> > >> This BUG is reporting
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> [   26.089789] usercopy: kernel memory overwrite attempt detected to 0000000022a5b430 (kmalloc-1024) (1024 bytes)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> line. But isn't 0000000022a5b430 strange for kmalloc(1024, GFP_KERNEL)ed kernel address?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The address is hashed (see the %p threads for 4.15).
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > +Tobin, is there a way to disable hashing entirely? The only
>> >> > designation of syzbot is providing crash reports to kernel developers
>> >> > with as much info as possible. It's fine for it to leak whatever.
>> >>
>> >> We have new specifier %px to print addresses in hex if leaking info is
>> >> not a worry.
>> >
>> > Could we have a way to know that the printed address is hashed and not just
>> > a pointer getting completely scrogged?  Perhaps prefix it with ... a hash!
>> > So this line would look like:
>> >
>> > [   26.089789] usercopy: kernel memory overwrite attempt detected to #0000000022a5b430 (kmalloc-1024) (1024 bytes)
>> >
>> > Or does that miss the point of hashing the address, so the attacker
>> > thinks its a real address?
>>
>> If we do something with this, I would suggest that we just disable
>> hashing. Any of the concerns that lead to hashed pointers are not
>> applicable in this context, moreover they are harmful, cause confusion
>> and make it harder to debug these bugs. That perfectly can be an
>> opt-in CONFIG_DEBUG_INSECURE_BLA_BLA_BLA.
>>
> Why not a kernel command line option? Hashing by default.


Would work for continuous testing systems too.
I just thought that since it has security implications, a config would
be more reliable. Say if a particular distribution builds kernel
without this config, then there is no way to enable it on the fly,
intentionally or not.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-19 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-18 13:40 syzbot
2017-12-18 14:22 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-19  0:57   ` Kees Cook
2017-12-19  8:12     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-12-19  8:37       ` Tobin C. Harding
2017-12-19  8:41         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-12-19  9:04           ` Tobin C. Harding
2017-12-19  9:07             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-12-19 13:22         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-19 13:41           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-12-19 14:08             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-19 14:12               ` Dmitry Vyukov [this message]
2017-12-19 20:45                 ` Tobin C. Harding
2017-12-19 20:33           ` Tobin C. Harding
2017-12-19 21:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-19 21:48             ` Al Viro
2017-12-19 22:09               ` Randy Dunlap
2017-12-19 23:24               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-20  3:50               ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-20  4:05                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-20  4:36                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-20  9:44               ` David Laight
2017-12-31  8:11                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-12-19 21:54             ` Kees Cook
2017-12-19 22:16             ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-19 22:24             ` Laura Abbott

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