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From: 贺中坤 <hezhongkun.hzk@bytedance.com>
To: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	yosryahmed@google.com,  sjenning@redhat.com, ddstreet@ieee.org,
	vitaly.wool@konsulko.com,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [PATCH] mm:zswap: fix zswap entry reclamation failure in two scenarios
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 13:21:32 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACSyD1NyynLrrkrp-A8tGW5gUJeFQiYk_E_SO14m_7wqrddtiQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKEwX=NhiGyoqR3HaDCuarqGmM5CCMYDatvVEEtVKzrL8DdDbw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your time, Nhat.

>
> These two cases should not count as "successful writeback" right?
>

This is true from the perspective of the writeback itself, but should it
also be considered successful from the purpose of the writeback,
 i.e. whether the compressed memory and zswap_entry can be reclaimed?

> I'm slightly biased of course, since my zswap shrinker depends on this
> as one of the potential signals for over-shrinking - but that aside, I think
> that this constitutes a failed writeback (i.e should not increment writeback
> counter, and the limit-based reclaim should try again etc.). If anything,
> it will make it incredibly confusing for users.

This patch will skip the writeback step,so the writeback counter will not
be incremented. Currently MAX_RECLAIM_RETRIES is 14, shrink_worker
will often fail if writeback fails.

>
> For instance, we were trying to estimate the number of zswap store
> fails by subtracting the writeback count from the overall pswpout, and
> this could throw us off by inflating the writeback count, and deflating
> the zswap store failure count as a result.

As mentioned above, writeback counter will not be incremented.

>
> Regarding the second case specifically, I thought that was the point of
> having zswap_exclusive_loads_enabled disabled - i.e still keeps a copy
> around in the zswap pool even after a completed zswap_load? Based
> on the Kconfig documentation:
>
> "This avoids having two copies of the same page in memory
> (compressed and uncompressed) after faulting in a page from zswap.
> The cost is that if the page was never dirtied and needs to be
> swapped out again, it will be re-compressed."
>

Yes,i know the point,in the case of reading, there is no data update,
so the next swapout does not need to be compressed again.
Consider this scenario,there is a lot of data cached in memory and zswap,
hit the limit,and shrink_worker will fail. The new coming data be written
directly to swap due to zswap_store failure. Should we free the last one
to store the latest one in zswap.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-14  5:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-13 13:06 Zhongkun He
2023-11-13 15:11 ` Nhat Pham
2023-11-14  5:21   ` 贺中坤 [this message]
2023-11-14 16:30     ` [External] " Nhat Pham
2023-11-15 12:12       ` 贺中坤
2023-11-14 17:16 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-15 12:53   ` [External] " 贺中坤
2023-11-15 20:12     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-16  3:33       ` 贺中坤
2023-11-16  4:09         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-16  4:23           ` 贺中坤
2023-11-16  8:31   ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-16 10:34     ` [External] " 贺中坤
2023-11-16 20:11   ` Chris Li
2023-11-16 20:18     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-16 20:30       ` Chris Li
2023-11-16 20:45         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-17 23:30           ` Chris Li
2023-11-17  9:56         ` [External] " Zhongkun He
2023-11-17 23:47           ` Chris Li
2023-11-18  1:45             ` Zhongkun He
2023-11-18 18:43               ` Nhat Pham
2023-11-19  8:29                 ` Chris Li
2023-11-20  2:42                 ` Zhongkun He
2023-11-19  8:23               ` Chris Li
2023-11-20  3:16                 ` Zhongkun He
2023-11-20  3:18         ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-20  5:31           ` Chris Li
2023-11-20  5:39             ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-20  5:51               ` Chris Li
2023-11-20 18:52           ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-21  0:54             ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-21  1:15               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-21  1:53                 ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-21  2:46                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-21  3:32                     ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-21  3:37                       ` Yosry Ahmed

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