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From: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	 Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Clark Williams <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@akamai.com>,
	 Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	 Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	 Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] ARM: Disable HIGHPTE on PREEMPT_RT kernels
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:29:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACRpkdZaoD2vqbCi1AFUa6mF2_=c3Nu4R0CvxFAep0VMgtMtOQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241210160556.2341497-3-arnd@kernel.org>

On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 5:06 PM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org> wrote:

> From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
>
> gup_pgd_range() is invoked with disabled interrupts and invokes

There is no gup_pgd_range() in the kernel, is this patch a bit
old?

There is gup_fast_pgd_range().
See 23babe1934d7637b598e4c9d9f3876e318fa63a4
gup.c contains:

  get_user_pages_fast attempts to pin user pages by
  walking the page tables directly and avoids taking locks.
(...)
   Let's consistently call the "fast-only" part of GUP "GUP-fast"
   and rename all relevant internal functions to start with
   "gup_fast", to make it clearer that this is not ordinary GUP.
   The current mixture of "lockless",  "gup" and "gup_fast" is
   confusing.

So fast GUP is supposed to be lockless, and should just not
have this problem. So it can't be addressing gup_fast_pgd_range()
right?

> __kmap_local_page_prot() via pte_offset_map(), gup_p4d_range().
> With HIGHPTE enabled, __kmap_local_page_prot() invokes kmap_high_get()
> which uses a spinlock_t via lock_kmap_any(). This leads to an
> sleeping-while-atomic error on PREEMPT_RT because spinlock_t becomes a
> sleeping lock and must not be acquired in atomic context.

I think this needs to be inspected by David Hildenbrand, if he consistently
rename the GPU functions to be "fast" and there is a lock somewhere
deep in there, something must be wrong and violating the API
contract.

> The loop in map_new_virtual() uses wait_queue_head_t for wake up which
> also is using a spinlock_t.
>
> Since HIGHPTE is rarely needed at all, turn it off for PREEMPT_RT
> to allow the use of get_user_pages_fast().
>
> [arnd: rework patch to turn off HIGHPTE instead of HAVE_PAST_GUP]

HAVE_FAST_GUP

I'm still confused, how can something that is supposed to be
lockless "fast" acquire a spinlock? Something is odd here.

> Signed-off-by: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
> ---
> There is an open question about whether HIGHPTE is still needed
> at all, given how rare 32-bit machines with more than 4GB
> are on any architecture. If we instead decide to remove HIGHPTE
> altogether, this patch is no longer needed.

I'm more asking if HIGHPTE even acquires a spinlock anymore
as it is supposed to be "fast"/lockless. If it does, it is clearly violating
the "fast" promise of the fast GUP API and should not exist.

Yours,
Linus Walleij


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-11 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-10 16:05 [PATCH 0/4] ARM: towards 32-bit preempt-rt support Arnd Bergmann
2024-12-10 16:05 ` [PATCH 1/4] ARM: Disable jump-label on PREEMPT_RT Arnd Bergmann
2024-12-11 13:04   ` Linus Walleij
2024-12-11 13:26   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-10 16:05 ` [PATCH 2/4] ARM: Disable HIGHPTE on PREEMPT_RT kernels Arnd Bergmann
2024-12-11 13:29   ` Linus Walleij [this message]
2024-12-11 15:22     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-13  0:27       ` Linus Walleij
2024-12-13  9:11         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-12-14 22:11           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-11 13:48   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-11 14:04     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-11 14:30       ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-12-11 15:55       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-12-20 14:37         ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-12-10 16:05 ` [PATCH 3/4] ARM: drop CONFIG_HIGHPTE support Arnd Bergmann
2024-12-11 13:32   ` Linus Walleij
2024-12-11 13:50     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-12-11 14:31       ` Linus Walleij
2024-12-11 14:25   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-14 18:40   ` David Laight
2024-12-20 13:10     ` Linus Walleij
2024-12-20 14:30       ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-12-10 16:05 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: drop HIGHPTE support altogether Arnd Bergmann
2024-12-11 13:53   ` Linus Walleij
2024-12-11 14:29   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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