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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Yongji Xie <xieyongji@bytedance.com>
Cc: Maxime Coquelin <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Eugenio Perez Martin <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux.dev,
	 linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	21cnbao@gmail.com,  penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vduse: avoid using __GFP_NOFAIL
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2024 10:28:08 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACGkMEs4YWr5zu0_nVCvqLSFBG9U_A_mw+7AdkMwrPo_6X-gOA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACycT3sz-OOKKcmH=FgD7gp_Bhi9=nwnkTn0VgRhQBxS2Dp4qw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 6:42 PM Yongji Xie <xieyongji@bytedance.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 4:24 PM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 4:21 PM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Barry said [1]:
> > >
> > > """
> > > mm doesn't support non-blockable __GFP_NOFAIL allocation. Because
> > > __GFP_NOFAIL without direct reclamation may just result in a busy
> > > loop within non-sleepable contexts.
> > > ""“
> > >
> > > Unfortuantely, we do that under read lock. A possible way to fix that
> > > is to move the pages allocation out of the lock into the caller, but
> > > having to allocate a huge number of pages and auxiliary page array
> > > seems to be problematic as well per Tetsuon [2]:
> > >
> > > """
> > > You should implement proper error handling instead of using
> > > __GFP_NOFAIL if count can become large.
> > > """
> > >
>
> I think the problem is it's hard to do the error handling in
> fops->release() currently.

vduse_dev_dereg_umem() should be the same, it's very hard to allow it to fail.

>
> So can we temporarily hold the user page refcount, and release it when
> vduse_dev_open()/vduse_domain_release() is executed. The kernel page
> allocation and memcpy can be done in vduse_dev_open() which allows
> some error handling.

Just to make sure I understand this, the free is probably not the big
issue but the allocation itself.

And if we do the memcpy() in open(), it seems to be a subtle userspace
noticeable change? (Or I don't get how copying in vduse_dev_open() can
help here).

>
> > > So I choose another way, which does not release kernel bounce pages
> > > when user tries to register usersapce bounce pages. Then we don't need
> > > to do allocation in the path which is not expected to be fail (e.g in
> > > the release). We pay this for more memory usage but further
> > > optimizations could be done on top.
> > >
> > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/CACGkMEtcOJAA96SF9B8m-nZ1X04-XZr+nq8ZQ2saLnUdfOGOLg@mail.gmail.com/T/#m3caef86a66ea6318ef94f9976ddb3a0ccfe6fcf8
> > > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/CACGkMEtcOJAA96SF9B8m-nZ1X04-XZr+nq8ZQ2saLnUdfOGOLg@mail.gmail.com/T/#m7ad10eaba48ade5abf2d572f24e185d9fb146480
> > >
> > > Fixes: 6c77ed22880d ("vduse: Support using userspace pages as bounce buffer")
> > > Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> > > ---
> >
> > Note for YongJi:
> >
> > I can only test it without usersapce bounce pages as neither DPDK nor
> > libvduse users use that. Would you want to review and have a test for
> > this?
> >
>
> I can do some tests for it.

Great.

>
> Thanks,
> Yongji
>

Thanks



  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-06  2:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-05  8:21 Jason Wang
2024-08-05  8:23 ` Jason Wang
2024-08-05 10:42   ` Yongji Xie
2024-08-06  2:28     ` Jason Wang [this message]
2024-08-06  3:10       ` Yongji Xie
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2024-08-12  6:59                     ` Jason Wang
2024-08-05  8:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-08-06  2:26   ` Jason Wang
2024-08-06  2:30 ` Barry Song
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2024-08-12  7:00       ` Jason Wang
2024-08-12  7:21         ` Yongji Xie

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