From: Akinobu Mita <akinobu.mita@gmail.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/3] mm/vmscan: don't demote if there is not enough free memory in the lower memory tier
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 21:51:28 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC5umyib=XmPkTvRT6eAsMx+WDx0NkSP9djh4xkhLJgwk_v8Mw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aWZLZzo5Hb1aFZ0j@tiehlicka>
2026年1月13日(火) 22:40 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>:
>
> On Tue 13-01-26 17:14:53, Akinobu Mita wrote:
> > On systems with multiple memory-tiers consisting of DRAM and CXL memory,
> > the OOM killer is not invoked properly.
> >
> > Here's the command to reproduce:
> >
> > $ sudo swapoff -a
> > $ stress-ng --oomable -v --memrate 20 --memrate-bytes 10G \
> > --memrate-rd-mbs 1 --memrate-wr-mbs 1
> >
> > The memory usage is the number of workers specified with the --memrate
> > option multiplied by the buffer size specified with the --memrate-bytes
> > option, so please adjust it so that it exceeds the total size of the
> > installed DRAM and CXL memory.
> >
> > If swap is disabled, you can usually expect the OOM killer to terminate
> > the stress-ng process when memory usage approaches the installed memory
> > size.
> >
> > However, if multiple memory-tiers exist (multiple
> > /sys/devices/virtual/memory_tiering/memory_tier<N> directories exist) and
> > /sys/kernel/mm/numa/demotion_enabled is true, the OOM killer will not be
> > invoked and the system will become inoperable, regardless of whether MGLRU
> > is enabled or not.
> >
> > This issue can be reproduced using NUMA emulation even on systems with
> > only DRAM. You can create two-fake memory-tiers by booting a single-node
> > system with "numa=fake=2 numa_emulation.adistance=576,704" kernel
> > parameters.
> >
> > The reason for this issue is that memory allocations do not directly
> > trigger the oom-killer, assuming that if the target node has an underlying
> > memory tier, it can always be reclaimed by demotion.
>
> Why don't we fall back to no demotion mode in this case? I mean we have
> shrink_folio_list:
> if (!list_empty(&demote_folios)) {
> /* Folios which weren't demoted go back on @folio_list */
> list_splice_init(&demote_folios, folio_list);
>
> /*
> * goto retry to reclaim the undemoted folios in folio_list if
> * desired.
> *
> * Reclaiming directly from top tier nodes is not often desired
> * due to it breaking the LRU ordering: in general memory
> * should be reclaimed from lower tier nodes and demoted from
> * top tier nodes.
> *
> * However, disabling reclaim from top tier nodes entirely
> * would cause ooms in edge scenarios where lower tier memory
> * is unreclaimable for whatever reason, eg memory being
> * mlocked or too hot to reclaim. We can disable reclaim
> * from top tier nodes in proactive reclaim though as that is
> * not real memory pressure.
> */
> if (!sc->proactive) {
> do_demote_pass = false;
> goto retry;
> }
> }
>
> to handle this situation no?
can_demote() is called from four places.
I tried modifying the patch to change the behavior only when can_demote()
is called from shrink_folio_list(), but the problem was not fixed
(oom did not occur).
Similarly, changing the behavior of can_demote() when called from
can_reclaim_anon_pages(), shrink_folio_list(), and can_age_anon_pages(),
but not when called from get_swappiness(), did not fix the problem either
(oom did not occur).
Conversely, changing the behavior only when called from get_swappiness(),
but not changing the behavior of can_reclaim_anon_pages(),
shrink_folio_list(), and can_age_anon_pages(), fixed the problem
(oom did occur).
Therefore, it appears that the behavior of get_swappiness() is important
in this issue.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-14 12:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-13 8:14 [PATCH v4 0/3] mm: fix oom-killer not being invoked when demotion is enabled Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13 8:14 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] mm: memory-tiers, numa_emu: enable to create memory tiers using fake numa nodes Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13 9:30 ` Pratyush Brahma
2026-01-13 8:14 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] mm: numa_emu: add document for NUMA emulation Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13 9:32 ` Pratyush Brahma
2026-01-13 8:14 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] mm/vmscan: don't demote if there is not enough free memory in the lower memory tier Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13 13:40 ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-14 12:51 ` Akinobu Mita [this message]
2026-01-14 13:40 ` Michal Hocko
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