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From: Akinobu Mita <akinobu.mita@gmail.com>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/3] mm/vmscan: don't demote if there is not enough free memory in the lower memory tier
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2026 09:40:46 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC5umyg+wubKoQSfpDQvNh3K5Y7+iOEYn6_BuKFd53kHDVE7aw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aWfXHKDzoQBsHxAp@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>

2026年1月15日(木) 2:49 Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>:
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 09:51:28PM +0900, Akinobu Mita wrote:
> > can_demote() is called from four places.
> > I tried modifying the patch to change the behavior only when can_demote()
> > is called from shrink_folio_list(), but the problem was not fixed
> > (oom did not occur).
> >
> > Similarly, changing the behavior of can_demote() when called from
> > can_reclaim_anon_pages(), shrink_folio_list(), and can_age_anon_pages(),
> > but not when called from get_swappiness(), did not fix the problem either
> > (oom did not occur).
> >
> > Conversely, changing the behavior only when called from get_swappiness(),
> > but not changing the behavior of can_reclaim_anon_pages(),
> > shrink_folio_list(), and can_age_anon_pages(), fixed the problem
> > (oom did occur).
> >
> > Therefore, it appears that the behavior of get_swappiness() is important
> > in this issue.
>
> "It appears that..." and the process of twiddling bits and observing
> behavior does not strike confidence in this solution.
>
> Can you take another go at trying to define the bad interaction more
> explicitly? I worry that we're modifying vmscan.c behavior to induce an
> OOM for a corner case - but it will also cause another regression.

I agree.
It surprised me that the behavior of get_swappiness() had an impact on the
issue, so I'll clarify its relationship to this issue.


      reply	other threads:[~2026-01-15  0:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-13  8:14 [PATCH v4 0/3] mm: fix oom-killer not being invoked when demotion is enabled Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13  8:14 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] mm: memory-tiers, numa_emu: enable to create memory tiers using fake numa nodes Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13  9:30   ` Pratyush Brahma
2026-01-13  8:14 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] mm: numa_emu: add document for NUMA emulation Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13  9:32   ` Pratyush Brahma
2026-01-13  8:14 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] mm/vmscan: don't demote if there is not enough free memory in the lower memory tier Akinobu Mita
2026-01-13 13:40   ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-14 12:51     ` Akinobu Mita
2026-01-14 13:40       ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-14 17:49       ` Gregory Price
2026-01-15  0:40         ` Akinobu Mita [this message]

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