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From: "T.J. Alumbaugh" <talumbau@google.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: "Sudarshan Rajagopalan (QUIC)" <quic_sudaraja@quicinc.com>,
	hch@lst.de, kai.huang@intel.com,  jon@nutanix.com,
	Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] VM Memory Overcommit
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:21:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABmGT5F70X0W+0-UUBEHLGhAFTaRys_hvi-=n1XsKmu4cQw71Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d1c562e2-58a5-14b0-9db9-de1c492fe921@redhat.com>

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 2:21 AM David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> What we actually might want is a way to tell the OS ruining inside the
> VM to "please try not using more than XXX MiB of physical memory" but
> treat it as a soft limit. So in case we mess up, or there is a sudden
> peak in memory consumption due to a workload, we won't harm the guest
> OS/workload, and don't have to act immediately to avoid trouble. One can
> think of it like an evolution of memory ballooning: instead of creating
> artificial memory pressure by inflating the balloon that is fairly event
> driven and requires explicit memory deflation, we teach the OS to do it
> natively and pair it with free page reporting.

That's interesting. In our forthcoming balloon spec for this feature,
we provide a way to send such data from the host to the guest. We call
the general mechanism "notifications" right now, but we did not think
of that use case so far.

>
> All free physical memory inside the VM can be reported using free page
> reporting to the hypervisor, and the OS will try sticking to the
> requested "logical" VM size, unless there is real demand for more memory.
>

Yes, the two mechanisms can definitely work in tandem for such a use
case, although we have not tried that yet. Thanks for these ideas.

-T.J.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-03-01  3:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-22 23:59 T.J. Alumbaugh
2023-02-28  6:02 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2023-03-01  3:09   ` T.J. Alumbaugh
2023-02-28  9:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-28 22:38   ` SeongJae Park
2023-02-28 22:52     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-03-02  3:26       ` David Rientjes
2023-03-02  9:32         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-03-01  3:21   ` T.J. Alumbaugh [this message]
2023-05-19 21:39 ` T.J. Alumbaugh

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