From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
To: Andrei Vagin <avagin@gmail.com>
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Dmitry Safonov <0x7f454c46@gmail.com>,
Mike Rapoport <mike.rapoport@gmail.com>,
Alexander Mikhalitsyn <aleksandr.mikhalitsyn@canonical.com>,
Andrei Vagin <avagin@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/1] exec: seal system mappings
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 10:35:06 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABi2SkXYjq0ACYkFf3e35DoOJP6d3TEpLEU_RCTmNLHQ_YJq6g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANaxB-z57KoCNawGEkmpoiHV_iCaYr8YiOc2zQiTHM4fso0ABQ@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Andrei
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 10:33 PM Andrei Vagin <avagin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 2:47 PM Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Andrei
> >
> > Thanks for your email.
> > I was hoping to get some feedback from CRIU devs, and happy to see you
> > reaching out..
> >
> ...
> > I have been thinking of other alternatives, but those would require
> > more understanding on CRIU use cases.
> > One of my questions is: Would CRIU target an individual process? or
> > entire systems?
>
> It targets individual processes that have been forked from the main
> CRIU process.
>
> >
> > If it is an individual process, we could use prctl to opt-in/opt-out
> > certain processes. There could be two alternatives.
> > 1> Opt-in solution: process must set prctl.seal_criu_mapping, this
> > needs to be set before execve() because sealing is applied at execve()
> > call.
> > 2> opt-out solution: The system will by default seal all of the system
> > mappings, but individual processes can opt-out by setting
> > prctl.not_seal_criu_mappings. This also needs to be set before
> > execve() call.
>
> I like the idea and I think the opt-out solution should work for CRIU.
> CRIU will be able to call this prctl and re-execute itself.
>
Great! Let's iterate on the opt-out solution then.
> Let me give you a bit of context on how CRIU works. When CRIU restores
> processes, it recreates a process tree by forking itself. Afterwards, it
> restores all mappings in each process but doesn't put them to proper
> addresses. After that, each process unmaps CRIU mappings from its address
> space and remaps its restored mappings to the proper addresses. So CRIU should
> be able to move system mappings and seal them if they have been sealed before
> dump.
Thanks for the context.
> BTW, It isn't just about CRIU. gVisor and maybe some other sandbox solutions
> will be affected by this change too. gVisor uses stub-processes to represent
> guest address spaces. In a stub process, it unmaps all system mappings.
>
> >
> > For both cases, we will want to identify what type of mapping CRIU
> > cares about, i.e. maybe CRIU doesn't care about uprobe and vsyscall ?
> > and only care about vdso/vvar/sigpage ?
>
> As for now, it handles only vdso/vvar/sigpage mappings. It doesn't care
> about vsyscall because it is always mapped to the fixed address.
>
Given this understanding that CRIU intends to replace the current
process's vdso/vvar with that of the restored process, and therefore
doesn't want the parent CRIU process to seal the vdso/vvar, a prctl
opt-out for vdso/vvar is reasonable path going forward.
The sigpage mapping also should be included in this opt-out, for the
same reason as vdso/vvar, it is created by the
arch_setup_additional_pages() call during execve().
However, the uprobe mapping shouldn't be included by this opt-out, as
it is not created by arch_setup_additional_pages() during execveat().
CRIU should simply restore it from the restored process, if present.
vsyscall, which is created when the system boots, and maps to a fixed
virtual address and page, shouldn't be included by this opt-out.
So I'm proposing to opt-out vdso/vvar/sigpage with a new prctl:
disable_mseal_criu_system_mappings = true/false
What do you think ?
> gVisor should be able to unmap all system mappings from a process
> address space.
>
Do you think this opt-out solution will work for gVisor too ?
Thanks
-Jeff
> Thanks,
> Andrei
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-12-16 18:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-11-25 20:20 [PATCH v4 0/1] Seal " jeffxu
2024-11-25 20:20 ` [PATCH v4 1/1] exec: seal " jeffxu
2024-11-25 20:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-02 17:22 ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-02 17:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-02 20:05 ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-02 19:57 ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-02 18:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-02 20:38 ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-03 7:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-03 18:19 ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-03 20:16 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-04 14:04 ` Benjamin Berg
2024-12-04 17:43 ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-04 18:24 ` Benjamin Berg
2024-12-10 4:12 ` Andrei Vagin
2024-12-11 22:46 ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-13 6:33 ` Andrei Vagin
2024-12-16 18:35 ` Jeff Xu [this message]
2024-12-16 18:56 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-16 20:20 ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-17 22:18 ` Kees Cook
2025-01-02 19:15 ` Andrei Vagin
2025-01-03 20:48 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-07 1:17 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-04 18:17 ` Johannes Berg
2025-01-03 21:38 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-07 1:12 ` Kees Cook
2025-01-13 21:26 ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-14 4:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-01-15 19:02 ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-15 19:46 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-15 20:20 ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-16 15:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-16 17:01 ` Benjamin Berg
2025-01-16 17:16 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-16 17:18 ` Pedro Falcato
2025-01-17 18:20 ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-17 19:35 ` enh
2025-01-17 20:15 ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-17 22:08 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-21 15:38 ` enh
2025-01-22 17:23 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-22 22:29 ` enh
2025-01-23 8:40 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-23 21:50 ` enh
2025-01-23 22:38 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-02-06 14:19 ` enh
2025-02-06 13:20 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-06 14:38 ` enh
2025-02-06 15:28 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-06 15:51 ` enh
2025-02-06 16:37 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-01-17 18:08 ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-15 23:52 ` Kees Cook
2025-01-16 5:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-16 19:40 ` Kees Cook
2025-01-17 10:14 ` Heiko Carstens
2025-01-16 15:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-16 19:44 ` Kees Cook
2024-11-26 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 0/1] Seal " Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-02 17:28 ` Jeff Xu
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