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From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
To: Andrei Vagin <avagin@gmail.com>
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	 Dmitry Safonov <0x7f454c46@gmail.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <mike.rapoport@gmail.com>,
	 Alexander Mikhalitsyn <aleksandr.mikhalitsyn@canonical.com>,
	Andrei Vagin <avagin@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/1] exec: seal system mappings
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 10:35:06 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABi2SkXYjq0ACYkFf3e35DoOJP6d3TEpLEU_RCTmNLHQ_YJq6g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANaxB-z57KoCNawGEkmpoiHV_iCaYr8YiOc2zQiTHM4fso0ABQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andrei

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 10:33 PM Andrei Vagin <avagin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 2:47 PM Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Andrei
> >
> > Thanks for your email.
> > I was hoping to get some feedback from CRIU devs, and happy to see you
> > reaching out..
> >
> ...
> > I have been thinking of other alternatives, but those would require
> > more understanding on CRIU use cases.
> > One of my questions is: Would CRIU target an individual process? or
> > entire systems?
>
> It targets individual processes that have been forked from the main
> CRIU process.
>
> >
> > If it is an individual process, we could use prctl to opt-in/opt-out
> > certain processes. There could be two alternatives.
> > 1> Opt-in solution: process must set prctl.seal_criu_mapping, this
> > needs to be set before execve() because sealing is applied at execve()
> > call.
> > 2> opt-out solution: The system will by default seal all of the system
> > mappings, but individual processes can opt-out by setting
> > prctl.not_seal_criu_mappings. This also needs to be set before
> > execve() call.
>
> I like the idea and I think the opt-out solution should work for CRIU.
> CRIU will be able to call this prctl and re-execute itself.
>
Great! Let's iterate on the opt-out solution then.

> Let me give you a bit of context on how CRIU works. When CRIU restores
> processes, it recreates a process tree by forking itself. Afterwards, it
> restores all mappings in each process but doesn't put them to proper
> addresses. After that, each process unmaps CRIU mappings from its address
> space and remaps its restored mappings to the proper addresses. So CRIU should
> be able to move system mappings and seal them if they have been sealed before
> dump.
Thanks for the context.

> BTW, It isn't just about CRIU. gVisor and maybe some other sandbox solutions
> will be affected by this change too. gVisor uses stub-processes to represent
> guest address spaces. In a stub process, it unmaps all system mappings.
>
> >
> > For both cases, we will want to identify what type of mapping CRIU
> > cares about, i.e. maybe CRIU doesn't care about uprobe and vsyscall ?
> > and only care about vdso/vvar/sigpage ?
>
> As for now, it handles only vdso/vvar/sigpage mappings. It doesn't care
> about vsyscall because it is always mapped to the fixed address.
>
Given this understanding that CRIU intends to replace the current
process's vdso/vvar with that of the restored process, and therefore
doesn't want the parent CRIU process to seal the vdso/vvar, a prctl
opt-out  for vdso/vvar is reasonable path going forward.

The sigpage mapping also should be included in this opt-out, for the
same reason as vdso/vvar,  it is created by the
arch_setup_additional_pages() call during execve().

However, the uprobe mapping shouldn't be included by this opt-out, as
it is not created by arch_setup_additional_pages() during execveat().
CRIU should simply restore it from the restored process, if present.

vsyscall, which is created when the system boots, and maps to a fixed
virtual address and page, shouldn't be included by this opt-out.

So I'm proposing to opt-out vdso/vvar/sigpage with a new prctl:
disable_mseal_criu_system_mappings = true/false
What do you think ?

> gVisor should be able to unmap all system mappings from a process
> address space.
>
Do you think this opt-out solution will work for gVisor too ?

Thanks
-Jeff


> Thanks,
> Andrei


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-16 18:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-25 20:20 [PATCH v4 0/1] Seal " jeffxu
2024-11-25 20:20 ` [PATCH v4 1/1] exec: seal " jeffxu
2024-11-25 20:40   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-02 17:22     ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-02 17:57       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-02 20:05         ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-02 19:57       ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-02 18:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-02 20:38     ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-03  7:35       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-03 18:19         ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-03 20:16           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-04 14:04   ` Benjamin Berg
2024-12-04 17:43     ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-04 18:24       ` Benjamin Berg
2024-12-10  4:12   ` Andrei Vagin
2024-12-11 22:46     ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-13  6:33       ` Andrei Vagin
2024-12-16 18:35         ` Jeff Xu [this message]
2024-12-16 18:56           ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-16 20:20             ` Jeff Xu
2024-12-17 22:18   ` Kees Cook
2025-01-02 19:15     ` Andrei Vagin
2025-01-03 20:48     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-07  1:17       ` Kees Cook
2025-02-04 18:17       ` Johannes Berg
2025-01-03 21:38     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-07  1:12       ` Kees Cook
2025-01-13 21:26         ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-14  4:19           ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-01-15 19:02           ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-15 19:46             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-15 20:20               ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-16 15:48                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-16 17:01                   ` Benjamin Berg
2025-01-16 17:16                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-16 17:18                     ` Pedro Falcato
2025-01-17 18:20                       ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-17 19:35                         ` enh
2025-01-17 20:15                           ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-17 22:08                           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-21 15:38                             ` enh
2025-01-22 17:23                               ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-22 22:29                                 ` enh
2025-01-23  8:40                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-23 21:50                                     ` enh
2025-01-23 22:38                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-02-06 14:19                                         ` enh
2025-02-06 13:20                           ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-06 14:38                             ` enh
2025-02-06 15:28                               ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-06 15:51                                 ` enh
2025-02-06 16:37                                   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-01-17 18:08                   ` Jeff Xu
2025-01-15 23:52               ` Kees Cook
2025-01-16  5:26                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-16 19:40                   ` Kees Cook
2025-01-17 10:14                     ` Heiko Carstens
2025-01-16 15:34                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-16 19:44                   ` Kees Cook
2024-11-26 16:39 ` [PATCH v4 0/1] Seal " Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-02 17:28   ` Jeff Xu

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