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From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v5 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 14:00:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABi2SkX3o-PdeuzownVkFT-oo8tjtaaS9ebOALu+r6O1S6W3sg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <t5hsasch3aybjujmjzs3shpiorcgzp5pjc4fmz77u574voi3hr@qomzrd2llv2q>

On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 12:54 PM Liam R. Howlett
<Liam.Howlett@oracle.com> wrote:

> > > >
> > > > VM_SEALED isn't defined in 32-bit systems, and mseal.c isn't part of
> > > > the build. This is intentional. Any 32-bit code trying to use the
> > > > sealing function or the VM_SEALED flag will immediately fail
> > > > compilation. This makes it easier to identify incorrect usage.
> > >
> > > So you are against using the #define because the VM_SYSTEM_SEAL will be
> > > defined, even though it will be VM_NONE?  This is no worse than a
> > > function that returns 0, and it aligns better with what we have today in
> > > that it can be put in the list of other flags.
> >
> > When I was reading through all of this and considering the history of
> > its development goals, it strikes me that a function is easier for the
> > future if/when this can be made a boot-time setting.
> >
>
> Reworking this change to function as a boot-time parameter, or whatever,
> would not be a significant amount of work, if/when the time comes.
> Since we don't know what the future holds, it it unnecessary to engineer
> in a potential change for a future version when the change is easy
> enough to make later and keep the code cleaner now.
>
Sure, I will put the function in mm.h for this patch. We can find a
proper place when it is time to implement the boot-time parameter
change.

The call stack for sealing system mapping is something like below:

install_special_mapping (mm/mmap.c)
map_vdso (arch/x86/entry/vdso/vma.c)
load_elf_binary (fs/binfmt_elf.c)
load_misc_binary (fs/binfmt_misc.c)
bprm_execve (fs/exec.c)
do_execveat_common
__x64_sys_execve
do_syscall_64

IMO, there's a clear divide between the API implementer and the API user.
mm and mm.h are the providers, offering the core mm functionality
through APIs/data structures like install_special_mapping().

The exe layer (bprm_execve, map_vdso, etc)  is the consumer of the
install_special_mapping.
The logic related to checking if sealing system mapping is enabled
belongs to the exe layer.

>
> > If mm maintainers prefer a #define for now, that's fine of course. The
> > value of VM_SYSTEM_SEAL can be VM_NONE on 32-bit.
>
> Thanks.  I think having a flag with VM_NONE on 32-bit is just as sane as
> a "flags |= system_seal()" call that unconditionally returns 0 on
> 32-bit.
>
Consider the case below in src/third_party/kernel/v6.6/fs/proc/task_mmu.c,

#ifdef CONFIG_64BIT
[ilog2(VM_SEALED)] = "sl",
#endif

If #ifdef CONFIG_64BIT is missing, it won't be detected during compile time.

Setting VM_SEALED to VM_NONE could simplify the coding in some cases
(get/set case), but it might make other cases error prone.

I would prefer to not have VM_SEALED for 32 bit.


-Jeff


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-13 22:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-12  3:21 [RFC PATCH v5 0/7] mseal system mappings jeffxu
2025-02-12  3:21 ` [RFC PATCH v5 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change jeffxu
2025-02-12  3:31   ` Randy Dunlap
2025-02-12  3:40     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-12 15:05   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-13 17:15     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-13 18:29       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-13 20:11         ` Kees Cook
2025-02-13 20:54           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-13 22:00             ` Jeff Xu [this message]
2025-02-14  0:14               ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-14  1:10                 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-14 14:39                   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-14 14:59                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-14 15:18                       ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-12  3:21 ` [RFC PATCH v5 2/7] selftests: x86: test_mremap_vdso: skip if vdso is msealed jeffxu
2025-02-12 13:03   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-13 14:14     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-13 19:28       ` Kees Cook
2025-02-13 22:20         ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-14  2:52           ` Kees Cook
2025-02-14 14:15             ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-12  3:21 ` [RFC PATCH v5 3/7] mseal, system mappings: enable x86-64 jeffxu
2025-02-12  3:21 ` [RFC PATCH v5 4/7] mseal, system mappings: enable arm64 jeffxu
2025-02-12  3:21 ` [RFC PATCH v5 5/7] mseal, system mappings: enable uml architecture jeffxu
2025-02-12  3:21 ` [RFC PATCH v5 6/7] mseal, system mappings: uprobe mapping jeffxu
2025-02-12  3:21 ` [RFC PATCH v5 7/7] mseal, system mappings: update mseal.rst jeffxu
2025-02-12 11:24 ` [RFC PATCH v5 0/7] mseal system mappings Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-12 12:37   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-02-12 14:01     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-12 14:08       ` Johannes Berg
2025-02-13 19:59       ` Pedro Falcato
2025-02-13 20:47         ` Kees Cook
2025-02-18 23:18           ` Pedro Falcato
2025-02-19 13:46             ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2025-02-19 17:17             ` enh
2025-02-23  2:05             ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-12 22:05   ` Kees Cook
2025-02-13 14:20     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-13 18:35     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-13 19:34       ` Kees Cook
2025-02-13 20:10         ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-13 14:19   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-12  3:32 jeffxu
2025-02-12  3:32 ` [RFC PATCH v5 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change jeffxu

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