From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Matt Bobrowski <mattbobrowski@google.com>
Cc: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v4 3/6] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() BPF kfunc
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2025 09:32:17 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQLNiMTG5=BCMHQZcPC-+=owFvRW+DDNdSKFdF8RPHGrqQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aVTTxjwgNgWMF-9Q@google.com>
On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 11:42 PM Matt Bobrowski
<mattbobrowski@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2025 at 09:00:28PM +0000, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> > Matt Bobrowski <mattbobrowski@google.com> writes:
> >
> > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2025 at 08:41:53PM -0800, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> > >> Introduce a BPF kfunc to get a trusted pointer to the root memory
> > >> cgroup. It's very handy to traverse the full memcg tree, e.g.
> > >> for handling a system-wide OOM.
> > >>
> > >> It's possible to obtain this pointer by traversing the memcg tree
> > >> up from any known memcg, but it's sub-optimal and makes BPF programs
> > >> more complex and less efficient.
> > >>
> > >> bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() has a KF_ACQUIRE | KF_RET_NULL semantics,
> > >> however in reality it's not necessary to bump the corresponding
> > >> reference counter - root memory cgroup is immortal, reference counting
> > >> is skipped, see css_get(). Once set, root_mem_cgroup is always a valid
> > >> memcg pointer. It's safe to call bpf_put_mem_cgroup() for the pointer
> > >> obtained with bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup(), it's effectively a no-op.
> > >>
> > >> Signed-off-by: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
> > >> ---
> > >> mm/bpf_memcontrol.c | 20 ++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> 1 file changed, 20 insertions(+)
> > >>
> > >> diff --git a/mm/bpf_memcontrol.c b/mm/bpf_memcontrol.c
> > >> index 82eb95de77b7..187919eb2fe2 100644
> > >> --- a/mm/bpf_memcontrol.c
> > >> +++ b/mm/bpf_memcontrol.c
> > >> @@ -10,6 +10,25 @@
> > >>
> > >> __bpf_kfunc_start_defs();
> > >>
> > >> +/**
> > >> + * bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup - Returns a pointer to the root memory cgroup
> > >> + *
> > >> + * The function has KF_ACQUIRE semantics, even though the root memory
> > >> + * cgroup is never destroyed after being created and doesn't require
> > >> + * reference counting. And it's perfectly safe to pass it to
> > >> + * bpf_put_mem_cgroup()
> > >> + *
> > >> + * Return: A pointer to the root memory cgroup.
> > >> + */
> > >> +__bpf_kfunc struct mem_cgroup *bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup(void)
> > >> +{
> > >> + if (mem_cgroup_disabled())
> > >> + return NULL;
> > >> +
> > >> + /* css_get() is not needed */
> > >> + return root_mem_cgroup;
> > >> +}
> > >> +
> > >> /**
> > >> * bpf_get_mem_cgroup - Get a reference to a memory cgroup
> > >> * @css: pointer to the css structure
> > >> @@ -64,6 +83,7 @@ __bpf_kfunc void bpf_put_mem_cgroup(struct mem_cgroup *memcg)
> > >> __bpf_kfunc_end_defs();
> > >>
> > >> BTF_KFUNCS_START(bpf_memcontrol_kfuncs)
> > >> +BTF_ID_FLAGS(func, bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup, KF_ACQUIRE | KF_RET_NULL)
> > >
> > > I feel as though relying on KF_ACQUIRE semantics here is somewhat
> > > odd. Users of this BPF kfunc will now be forced to call
> > > bpf_put_mem_cgroup() on the returned root_mem_cgroup, despite it being
> > > completely unnecessary.
> >
> > A agree that it's annoying, but I doubt this extra call makes any
> > difference in the real world.
>
> Sure, that certainly holds true.
>
> > Also, the corresponding kernel code designed to hide the special
> > handling of the root cgroup. css_get()/css_put() are simple no-ops for
> > the root cgroup, but are totally valid.
>
> Yes, I do see that.
>
> > So in most places the root cgroup is handled as any other, which
> > simplifies the code. I guess the same will be true for many bpf
> > programs.
>
> I see, however the same might not necessarily hold for all other
> global pointers which end up being handed out by a BPF kfunc (not
> necessarily bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup()). This is why I was wondering
> whether there's some sense to introducing another KF flag (or
> something similar) which allows returned values from BPF kfuncs to be
> implicitly treated as trusted.
No need for a new KF flag. Any struct returned by kfunc should be
trusted or trusted_or_null if KF_RET_NULL was specified.
I don't remember off the top of my head, but this behavior
is already implemented or we discussed making it this way.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-31 17:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-23 4:41 [PATCH bpf-next v4 0/6] mm: bpf kfuncs to access memcg data Roman Gushchin
2025-12-23 4:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 1/6] mm: declare memcg_page_state_output() in memcontrol.h Roman Gushchin
2025-12-23 4:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 2/6] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-12-23 4:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 3/6] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30 20:27 ` Matt Bobrowski
2025-12-30 21:00 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-31 7:41 ` Matt Bobrowski
2025-12-31 17:02 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-31 17:32 ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2025-12-23 4:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 4/6] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to access memcg statistics and events Roman Gushchin
2025-12-23 4:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 5/6] bpf: selftests: selftests for memcg stat kfuncs Roman Gushchin
2025-12-23 4:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 6/6] MAINTAINERS: add an entry for MM BPF extensions Roman Gushchin
2025-12-23 19:25 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 0/6] mm: bpf kfuncs to access memcg data Alexei Starovoitov
2025-12-23 19:57 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-24 3:41 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-12-23 19:46 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-24 3:01 ` Yafang Shao
2025-12-25 1:16 ` Roman Gushchin
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