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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	 Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	Delyan Kratunov <delyank@fb.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, Kernel Team <kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 bpf-next 06/15] bpf: Optimize element count in non-preallocated hash map.
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 14:57:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQKnZecxOCA9ByNEQYgkT+wDcvAysisJ9fbifAvBv_CW2Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75b5f42d-84f6-4227-0bf9-fb62c89217c7@iogearbox.net>

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 2:47 PM Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> wrote:
>
> On 8/26/22 4:44 AM, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > From: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
> >
> > The atomic_inc/dec might cause extreme cache line bouncing when multiple cpus
> > access the same bpf map. Based on specified max_entries for the hash map
> > calculate when percpu_counter becomes faster than atomic_t and use it for such
> > maps. For example samples/bpf/map_perf_test is using hash map with max_entries
> > 1000. On a system with 16 cpus the 'map_perf_test 4' shows 14k events per
> > second using atomic_t. On a system with 15 cpus it shows 100k events per second
> > using percpu. map_perf_test is an extreme case where all cpus colliding on
> > atomic_t which causes extreme cache bouncing. Note that the slow path of
> > percpu_counter is 5k events per secound vs 14k for atomic, so the heuristic is
> > necessary. See comment in the code why the heuristic is based on
> > num_online_cpus().
>
> nit: Could we include this logic inside percpu_counter logic, or as an extended
> version of it? Except the heuristic of attr->max_entries / 2 > num_online_cpus() *
> PERCPU_COUNTER_BATCH which toggles between plain atomic vs percpu_counter, the
> rest feel generic enough that it could also be applicable outside bpf.

The heuristic is probably not generic enough and this optimization
is a stop gap. It helps many cases, but doesn't solve all.
It's ok for this specific large hash map to count max_entries,
but we shouldn't claim generality to suggest this heuristic
to anyone else. I was thinking to do a follow up and create
a true generic combined percpu and atomic counter, similar
to percpu_ref that can switch from percpu to atomic.
But it's more of a wish-list task atm.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-29 21:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-26  2:44 [PATCH v4 bpf-next 00/15] bpf: BPF specific memory allocator Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 01/15] bpf: Introduce any context " Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-29 21:30   ` Daniel Borkmann
2022-08-29 21:45     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-29 21:59   ` Daniel Borkmann
2022-08-29 22:04     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-29 22:39   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-08-29 22:42     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-29 22:59       ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-08-29 23:13         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 02/15] bpf: Convert hash map to bpf_mem_alloc Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 03/15] selftests/bpf: Improve test coverage of test_maps Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 04/15] samples/bpf: Reduce syscall overhead in map_perf_test Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 05/15] bpf: Relax the requirement to use preallocated hash maps in tracing progs Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 06/15] bpf: Optimize element count in non-preallocated hash map Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-29 21:47   ` Daniel Borkmann
2022-08-29 21:57     ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 07/15] bpf: Optimize call_rcu " Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 08/15] bpf: Adjust low/high watermarks in bpf_mem_cache Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 09/15] bpf: Batch call_rcu callbacks instead of SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 10/15] bpf: Add percpu allocation support to bpf_mem_alloc Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 11/15] bpf: Convert percpu hash map to per-cpu bpf_mem_alloc Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 12/15] bpf: Remove tracing program restriction on map types Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 13/15] bpf: Prepare bpf_mem_alloc to be used by sleepable bpf programs Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 14/15] bpf: Remove prealloc-only restriction for " Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-26  2:44 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 15/15] bpf: Introduce sysctl kernel.bpf_force_dyn_alloc Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]   ` <f0e3e3ab-99b7-4d87-4b5a-b71ca7724310@iogearbox.net>
2022-08-29 22:27     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-08-27 16:57 ` [PATCH v4 bpf-next 00/15] bpf: BPF specific memory allocator Andrii Nakryiko
2022-08-27 22:53   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2022-08-29 15:47     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-09-09 20:10       ` Andrii Nakryiko

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