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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,  Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Hou Tao <houtao1@huawei.com>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	 Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	 linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Kernel Team <kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/6] mm, bpf: Introduce __GFP_TRYLOCK for opportunistic page allocation
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 18:14:55 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQKUJcv-YKBnwa_bW-GxoBWGZaZVVy5m1mVHehWN83E6kA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a06c6e51-d242-477b-9f77-d7bad24c299b@suse.cz>

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 12:39 AM Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> wrote:
>
> On 12/10/24 22:53, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 1:01 AM Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
> > <bigeasy@linutronix.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2024-12-09 18:39:31 [-0800], Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> >> > From: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
> >> >
> >> > Tracing BPF programs execute from tracepoints and kprobes where running
> >> > context is unknown, but they need to request additional memory.
> >> > The prior workarounds were using pre-allocated memory and BPF specific
> >> > freelists to satisfy such allocation requests. Instead, introduce
> >> > __GFP_TRYLOCK flag that makes page allocator accessible from any context.
> >> > It relies on percpu free list of pages that rmqueue_pcplist() should be
> >> > able to pop the page from. If it fails (due to IRQ re-entrancy or list
> >> > being empty) then try_alloc_pages() attempts to spin_trylock zone->lock
> >> > and refill percpu freelist as normal.
> >> > BPF program may execute with IRQs disabled and zone->lock is sleeping in RT,
> >> > so trylock is the only option.
> >>
> >> The __GFP_TRYLOCK flag looks reasonable given the challenges for BPF
> >> where it is not known how much memory will be needed and what the
> >> calling context is.
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> >> I hope it does not spread across the kernel where
> >> people do ATOMIC in preempt/ IRQ-off on PREEMPT_RT and then once they
> >> learn that this does not work, add this flag to the mix to make it work
> >> without spending some time on reworking it.
> >
> > We can call it __GFP_BPF to discourage any other usage,
> > but that seems like an odd "solution" to code review problem.
>
> Could we perhaps not expose the flag to public headers at all, and keep it
> only as an internal detail of try_alloc_pages_noprof()?

public headers?
To pass additional bit via gfp flags into alloc_pages
gfp_types.h has to be touched.

If you mean moving try_alloc_pages() into mm/page_alloc.c and
adding another argument to __alloc_pages_noprof then it's not pretty.
It has 'gfp_t gfp' argument. It should to be used to pass the intent.

We don't have to add GFP_TRYLOCK at all if we go with
memalloc_nolock_save() approach.
So I started looking at it,
but immediately hit trouble with bits.
There are 5 bits left in PF_ and 3 already used for mm needs.
That doesn't look sustainable long term.
How about we alias nolock concept with PF_MEMALLOC_PIN ?

As far as I could trace PF_MEMALLOC_PIN clears GFP_MOVABLE and nothing else.

The same bit plus lack of __GFP_KSWAPD_RECLAIM in gfp flags
would mean nolock mode in alloc_pages,
while PF_MEMALLOC_PIN alone would mean nolock in free_pages
and deeper inside memcg paths and such.

thoughts? too hacky?


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-12  2:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-10  2:39 [PATCH bpf-next v2 0/6] bpf, mm: Introduce __GFP_TRYLOCK Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/6] mm, bpf: Introduce __GFP_TRYLOCK for opportunistic page allocation Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  5:31   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-10  9:05     ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-10 20:25       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-11 10:08         ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-10 22:06       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 10:19         ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-12 15:07         ` Sebastian Sewior
2024-12-12 15:21           ` Michal Hocko
2024-12-12 15:35             ` Sebastian Sewior
2024-12-12 15:48               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-12-12 16:00                 ` Sebastian Sewior
2024-12-13 17:44                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-12-13 18:44                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-13 18:57                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-13 20:09                       ` Steven Rostedt
2024-12-13 21:00                         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-12-13 22:02                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-12 21:57               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10 21:42     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  9:01   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-10 21:53     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11  8:38       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12  2:14         ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2024-12-12  8:54           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-10 18:39   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-10 22:42     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11  8:48       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 2/6] mm, bpf: Introduce free_pages_nolock() Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  8:35   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-10 22:49     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-12 14:44       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-12 19:57         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 10:11   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12  1:43     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 3/6] locking/local_lock: Introduce local_trylock_irqsave() Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 10:53   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-11 11:55     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12  2:49       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-12  9:15         ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-13 14:02           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12 15:15   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-12-12 19:59     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 4/6] memcg: Add __GFP_TRYLOCK support Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 23:47   ` kernel test robot
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 5/6] mm, bpf: Use __GFP_ACCOUNT in try_alloc_pages() Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-11 12:05   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-12  2:54     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-12-10  2:39 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 6/6] bpf: Use try_alloc_pages() to allocate pages for bpf needs Alexei Starovoitov

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