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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Sebastian Sewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	 Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] mm: Rename try_alloc_pages() to alloc_pages_nolock()
Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 18:24:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQJS+sBks2qZ9tNt1hR375w+68GfZuTF+LoSveXR1hO2bQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <441a3e7d-2000-47d2-ba13-6841eb392fe1@suse.cz>

On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 1:26 AM Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> wrote:
>
> On 5/1/25 05:27, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > From: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
> >
> > The "try_" prefix is confusing, since it made people believe
> > that try_alloc_pages() is analogous to spin_trylock() and
> > NULL return means EAGAIN. This is not the case. If it returns
> > NULL there is no reason to call it again. It will most likely
> > return NULL again. Hence rename it to alloc_pages_nolock()
> > to make it symmetrical to free_pages_nolock() and document that
> > NULL means ENOMEM.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
>
> Acked-by: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
>
> > @@ -7378,20 +7378,21 @@ static bool __free_unaccepted(struct page *page)
> >  #endif /* CONFIG_UNACCEPTED_MEMORY */
> >
> >  /**
> > - * try_alloc_pages - opportunistic reentrant allocation from any context
> > + * alloc_pages_nolock - opportunistic reentrant allocation from any context
> >   * @nid: node to allocate from
> >   * @order: allocation order size
> >   *
> >   * Allocates pages of a given order from the given node. This is safe to
> >   * call from any context (from atomic, NMI, and also reentrant
> > - * allocator -> tracepoint -> try_alloc_pages_noprof).
> > + * allocator -> tracepoint -> alloc_pages_nolock_noprof).
> >   * Allocation is best effort and to be expected to fail easily so nobody should
> >   * rely on the success. Failures are not reported via warn_alloc().
> >   * See always fail conditions below.
> >   *
> > - * Return: allocated page or NULL on failure.
> > + * Return: allocated page or NULL on failure. NULL does not mean EBUSY or EAGAIN.
> > + * It means ENOMEM. There is no reason to call it again and expect !NULL.
>
> Should we explain that the "ENOMEM" doesn't necessarily mean the system is
> out of memory, but also that the calling context might be simply unlucky
> (preempted someone with the lock) and retrying in the same context can't
> help it?

Technically correct, but it opens the door for "retry" thinking:
"I called it and got unlucky, maybe I should retry once.. I promise
I won't loop forever".
So I really think the doc should say "ENOMEM. no reason to retry" like above.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-07  1:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-01  3:27 [PATCH 0/6] mm: Reentrant kmalloc Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-01  3:27 ` [PATCH 1/6] mm: Rename try_alloc_pages() to alloc_pages_nolock() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06  8:26   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07  1:24     ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2025-05-01  3:27 ` [PATCH 2/6] locking/local_lock: Expose dep_map in local_trylock_t Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06 12:56   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-06 14:55     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07  1:25       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-12 13:26   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-12 16:46     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-01  3:27 ` [PATCH 3/6] locking/local_lock: Introduce local_lock_is_locked() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06 12:59   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07  1:28     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-12 14:56   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-12 15:01     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-12 15:23       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-01  3:27 ` [PATCH 4/6] locking/local_lock: Introduce local_lock_irqsave_check() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-07 13:02   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-12 14:03   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-12 17:16     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-13  6:58       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-13 21:55         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-01  3:27 ` [PATCH 5/6] mm: Allow GFP_ACCOUNT and GFP_COMP to be used in alloc_pages_nolock() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06  8:55   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07  1:33     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-01  3:27 ` [PATCH 6/6] slab: Introduce kmalloc_nolock() and kfree_nolock() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-05 18:46   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-06  0:49     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06  1:24       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-06  1:51         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06 18:05           ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-06 12:01   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07  0:31     ` Harry Yoo
2025-05-07  2:23       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-07  8:38       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07  2:20     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-07 10:44       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-09  1:03   ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-24 17:13     ` SLAB_NO_CMPXCHG was:: " Alexei Starovoitov
2025-06-25 11:38       ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-26 20:03         ` Alexei Starovoitov

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