From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Sebastian Sewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] mm: Rename try_alloc_pages() to alloc_pages_nolock()
Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 18:24:52 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQJS+sBks2qZ9tNt1hR375w+68GfZuTF+LoSveXR1hO2bQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <441a3e7d-2000-47d2-ba13-6841eb392fe1@suse.cz>
On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 1:26 AM Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> wrote:
>
> On 5/1/25 05:27, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > From: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
> >
> > The "try_" prefix is confusing, since it made people believe
> > that try_alloc_pages() is analogous to spin_trylock() and
> > NULL return means EAGAIN. This is not the case. If it returns
> > NULL there is no reason to call it again. It will most likely
> > return NULL again. Hence rename it to alloc_pages_nolock()
> > to make it symmetrical to free_pages_nolock() and document that
> > NULL means ENOMEM.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
>
> Acked-by: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
>
> > @@ -7378,20 +7378,21 @@ static bool __free_unaccepted(struct page *page)
> > #endif /* CONFIG_UNACCEPTED_MEMORY */
> >
> > /**
> > - * try_alloc_pages - opportunistic reentrant allocation from any context
> > + * alloc_pages_nolock - opportunistic reentrant allocation from any context
> > * @nid: node to allocate from
> > * @order: allocation order size
> > *
> > * Allocates pages of a given order from the given node. This is safe to
> > * call from any context (from atomic, NMI, and also reentrant
> > - * allocator -> tracepoint -> try_alloc_pages_noprof).
> > + * allocator -> tracepoint -> alloc_pages_nolock_noprof).
> > * Allocation is best effort and to be expected to fail easily so nobody should
> > * rely on the success. Failures are not reported via warn_alloc().
> > * See always fail conditions below.
> > *
> > - * Return: allocated page or NULL on failure.
> > + * Return: allocated page or NULL on failure. NULL does not mean EBUSY or EAGAIN.
> > + * It means ENOMEM. There is no reason to call it again and expect !NULL.
>
> Should we explain that the "ENOMEM" doesn't necessarily mean the system is
> out of memory, but also that the calling context might be simply unlucky
> (preempted someone with the lock) and retrying in the same context can't
> help it?
Technically correct, but it opens the door for "retry" thinking:
"I called it and got unlucky, maybe I should retry once.. I promise
I won't loop forever".
So I really think the doc should say "ENOMEM. no reason to retry" like above.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-07 1:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-01 3:27 [PATCH 0/6] mm: Reentrant kmalloc Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-01 3:27 ` [PATCH 1/6] mm: Rename try_alloc_pages() to alloc_pages_nolock() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06 8:26 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07 1:24 ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2025-05-01 3:27 ` [PATCH 2/6] locking/local_lock: Expose dep_map in local_trylock_t Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06 12:56 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-06 14:55 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07 1:25 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-12 13:26 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-12 16:46 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-01 3:27 ` [PATCH 3/6] locking/local_lock: Introduce local_lock_is_locked() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06 12:59 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07 1:28 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-12 14:56 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-12 15:01 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-12 15:23 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-01 3:27 ` [PATCH 4/6] locking/local_lock: Introduce local_lock_irqsave_check() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-07 13:02 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-12 14:03 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-12 17:16 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-13 6:58 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-13 21:55 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-01 3:27 ` [PATCH 5/6] mm: Allow GFP_ACCOUNT and GFP_COMP to be used in alloc_pages_nolock() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06 8:55 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07 1:33 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-01 3:27 ` [PATCH 6/6] slab: Introduce kmalloc_nolock() and kfree_nolock() Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-05 18:46 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-06 0:49 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06 1:24 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-06 1:51 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06 18:05 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-05-06 12:01 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07 0:31 ` Harry Yoo
2025-05-07 2:23 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-07 8:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-07 2:20 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-07 10:44 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-05-09 1:03 ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-24 17:13 ` SLAB_NO_CMPXCHG was:: " Alexei Starovoitov
2025-06-25 11:38 ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-26 20:03 ` Alexei Starovoitov
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