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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Matt Bobrowski <mattbobrowski@google.com>,
	 bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
	 LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v3 10/17] mm: introduce bpf_task_is_oom_victim() kfunc
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2026 08:31:19 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQ+uF4cTVYYOYBEDWrkLXJJkru_FaRttFskHRUpamktMJQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aYH21HhwNvWnFB8O@tiehlicka>

On Tue, Feb 3, 2026 at 5:23 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon 02-02-26 16:14:37, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> > Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2026 at 9:39 PM Matt Bobrowski <mattbobrowski@google.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 06:44:13PM -0800, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> > >> > Export tsk_is_oom_victim() helper as a BPF kfunc.
> > >> > It's very useful to avoid redundant oom kills.
> > >> >
> > >> > Signed-off-by: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
> > >> > Suggested-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > >> > ---
> > >> >  mm/oom_kill.c | 14 ++++++++++++++
> > >> >  1 file changed, 14 insertions(+)
> > >> >
> > >> > diff --git a/mm/oom_kill.c b/mm/oom_kill.c
> > >> > index 8f63a370b8f5..53f9f9674658 100644
> > >> > --- a/mm/oom_kill.c
> > >> > +++ b/mm/oom_kill.c
> > >> > @@ -1381,10 +1381,24 @@ __bpf_kfunc int bpf_out_of_memory(struct mem_cgroup *memcg__nullable,
> > >> >       return ret;
> > >> >  }
> > >> >
> > >> > +/**
> > >> > + * bpf_task_is_oom_victim - Check if the task has been marked as an OOM victim
> > >> > + * @task: task to check
> > >> > + *
> > >> > + * Returns true if the task has been previously selected by the OOM killer
> > >> > + * to be killed. It's expected that the task will be destroyed soon and some
> > >> > + * memory will be freed, so maybe no additional actions required.
> > >> > + */
> > >> > +__bpf_kfunc bool bpf_task_is_oom_victim(struct task_struct *task)
> > >> > +{
> > >> > +     return tsk_is_oom_victim(task);
> > >> > +}
> > >>
> > >> Why not just do a direct memory read (i.e., task->signal->oom_mm)
> > >> within the BPF program? I'm not quite convinced that a BPF kfunc
> > >> wrapper for something like tsk_is_oom_victim() is warranted as you can
> > >> literally achieve the same semantics without one.
> > >
> > > +1
> > > there is no need for this kfunc.
> >
> > It was explicitly asked by Michal Hocko, who is (co)maintaining the oom
> > code. I don't have a strong opinion here. I agree that it can be easily
> > open-coded without a kfunc, but at the same time the cost of having an
> > extra kfunc is not high and it makes the API more consistent.
> >
> > Michal, do you feel strongly about having a dedicated kfunc vs the
> > direct memory read?
>
> The reason I wanted this an explicit API is that oom states are quite
> internal part of the oom synchronization. And I would really like to
> have that completely transparent for oom policies. In other words I do
> not want to touch all potential oom policies or break them in the worst
> case just because we need to change this. So while a trivial interface
> now (and hopefully for a long time) it is really an internal thing.
>
> Do I insist? No, I do not but I would like to hear why this is a bad
> idea.

It's a bad idea, since it doesn't address your goal.
bpf prog can access task->signal->oom_mm without kfunc just fine
and it will be doing so because performance matters and
static inline bool foo(task)
{
  return task->signal->oom_mm;
}

will be inlined as 2 loads while kfunc is a function call with 6 registers
being scratched.

If anything changes and, say, oom_mm will get renamed whether
it was kfunc or not doesn't change much. progs will adopt to a new
way easily with CORE. kfuncs can also be renamed/deleted, etc.
You're thinking about kfuncs as a stable api. It's definitely not.
It's not a layer of isolation either. kfuncs are necessary only
for the cases where bpf prog cannot do it on its own.

"internal thing" is also a wrong way of thinking of bpf-oom.
bpf-oom _will_ look into oom, cgroup and kernel internals in general.
All bpf progs do because they have to do that to achieve their goals.
Everything in mm/internal.h have been available to access by bpf progs
for a decade now. Did it cause any issue to mm development? No.
So let's not build some non-existent wall or "internal oom thing".


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-03 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-27  2:44 [PATCH bpf-next v3 00/17] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 01/17] bpf: move bpf_struct_ops_link into bpf.h Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  5:50   ` Yafang Shao
2026-01-28 11:28   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 02/17] bpf: allow attaching struct_ops to cgroups Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  3:08   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-01-27  5:49   ` Yafang Shao
2026-01-28  3:10   ` Josh Don
2026-01-28 18:52     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-28 11:25   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-28 19:18     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 03/17] libbpf: fix return value on memory allocation failure Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  5:52   ` Yafang Shao
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 04/17] libbpf: introduce bpf_map__attach_struct_ops_opts() Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  3:08   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 05/17] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  6:06   ` Yafang Shao
2026-02-02  4:56   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 06/17] mm: define mem_cgroup_get_from_ino() outside of CONFIG_SHRINKER_DEBUG Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  6:12   ` Yafang Shao
2026-02-02  3:50   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 07/17] mm: introduce BPF OOM struct ops Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  9:38   ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-27 21:12     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-28  8:00       ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-28 18:44         ` Roman Gushchin
2026-02-02  4:06       ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-28  3:26   ` Josh Don
2026-01-28 19:03     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-28 11:19   ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-28 18:53     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-29 21:00   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2026-01-30 23:29     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-02-02 20:27       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 08/17] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27 20:21   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2026-01-27 20:47     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-02-02  4:49   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 09/17] mm: introduce bpf_out_of_memory() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2026-01-28 20:21   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 10/17] mm: introduce bpf_task_is_oom_victim() kfunc Roman Gushchin
2026-02-02  5:39   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-02-02 17:30     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-02-03  0:14       ` Roman Gushchin
2026-02-03 13:23         ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-03 16:31           ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2026-02-04  9:02             ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-05  0:12               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 11/17] bpf: selftests: introduce read_cgroup_file() helper Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  3:08   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 12/17] bpf: selftests: BPF OOM struct ops test Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 13/17] sched: psi: add a trace point to psi_avgs_work() Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 14/17] sched: psi: add cgroup_id field to psi_group structure Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 15/17] bpf: allow calling bpf_out_of_memory() from a PSI tracepoint Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  9:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 00/17] mm: BPF OOM Michal Hocko
2026-01-27 21:01   ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-28  8:06     ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-28 16:59       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-01-28 18:23         ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-28 18:53           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-02-02  3:26         ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-02-02 17:50           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-02-04 23:52             ` Matt Bobrowski

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