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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lstoakes@gmail.com>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	 Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	Eddy Z <eddyz87@gmail.com>,  Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Barret Rhoden <brho@google.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 Kernel Team <kernel-team@fb.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 03/16] mm: Expose vmap_pages_range() to the rest of the kernel.
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2024 15:55:30 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQ+HtCsvCt8EyW7TVP0Chai-EBEdDzogqNJ2nzNrN88S7w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240208054435.GD185687@cmpxchg.org>

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 9:44 PM Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 09:07:51PM +0000, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 02:04:28PM -0800, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > > From: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
> > >
> > > The next commit will introduce bpf_arena which is a sparsely populated shared
> > > memory region between bpf program and user space process.
> > > It will function similar to vmalloc()/vm_map_ram():
> > > - get_vm_area()
> > > - alloc_pages()
> > > - vmap_pages_range()
> >
> > This tells me absolutely nothing about why it is justified to expose this
> > internal interface. You need to put more explanation here along the lines
> > of 'we had no other means of achieving what we needed from vmalloc because
> > X, Y, Z and are absolutely convinced it poses no risk of breaking anything'.
>
> How about this:
>
> ---
>
> BPF would like to use the vmap API to implement a lazily-populated
> memory space which can be shared by multiple userspace threads.
>
> The vmap API is generally public and has functions to request and
> release areas of kernel address space, as well as functions to map
> various types of backing memory into that space.
>
> For example, there is the public ioremap_page_range(), which is used
> to map device memory into addressable kernel space.
>
> The new BPF code needs the functionality of vmap_pages_range() in
> order to incrementally map privately managed arrays of pages into its
> vmap area. Indeed this function used to be public, but became private
> when usecases other than vmalloc happened to disappear.
>
> Make it public again for the new external user.

Thank you Johannes!
You've said it better than I ever could.
I'll replace my cryptic commit log with the above in v2.

>
> ---
>
> > I mean I see a lot of checks in vmap() that aren't in vmap_pages_range()
> > for instance. We good to expose that, not only for you but for any other
> > core kernel users?
>
> Those are applicable only to the higher-level vmap/vmalloc usecases:
> controlling the implied call to get_vm_area; managing the area with
> vfree(). They're not relevant for mapping privately-managed pages into
> an existing vm area. It's the same pattern and layer of abstraction as
> ioremap_pages_range(), which doesn't have any of those checks either.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-08 23:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-06 22:04 [PATCH bpf-next 00/16] bpf: Introduce BPF arena Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 01/16] bpf: Allow kfuncs return 'void *' Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-08 19:40   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-09  0:09     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09 19:09       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-10  2:32         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09 16:06   ` David Vernet
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 02/16] bpf: Recognize '__map' suffix in kfunc arguments Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09 16:57   ` David Vernet
2024-02-09 17:46     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09 18:11       ` David Vernet
2024-02-09 18:59         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-09 19:18           ` David Vernet
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 03/16] mm: Expose vmap_pages_range() to the rest of the kernel Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-07 21:07   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-02-07 22:56     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-08  5:44     ` Johannes Weiner
2024-02-08 23:55       ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2024-02-09  6:36       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-02-14  8:31     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 04/16] bpf: Introduce bpf_arena Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-07 18:40   ` Barret Rhoden
2024-02-07 20:55     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-07 21:11       ` Barret Rhoden
2024-02-08  6:26         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-08 21:58           ` Barret Rhoden
2024-02-08 23:36             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-08 23:50               ` Barret Rhoden
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 05/16] bpf: Disasm support for cast_kern/user instructions Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 06/16] bpf: Add x86-64 JIT support for PROBE_MEM32 pseudo instructions Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 07/16] bpf: Add x86-64 JIT support for bpf_cast_user instruction Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 08/16] bpf: Recognize cast_kern/user instructions in the verifier Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 09/16] bpf: Recognize btf_decl_tag("arg:arena") as PTR_TO_ARENA Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 10/16] libbpf: Add __arg_arena to bpf_helpers.h Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 11/16] libbpf: Add support for bpf_arena Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-08  1:15   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-08  1:38     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-08 18:29       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-08 18:45         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-08 18:54           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-08 18:59             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 12/16] libbpf: Allow specifying 64-bit integers in map BTF Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-08  1:16   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-08  1:58     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-08 18:16       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 13/16] bpf: Tell bpf programs kernel's PAGE_SIZE Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 14/16] bpf: Add helper macro bpf_arena_cast() Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 15/16] selftests/bpf: Add bpf_arena_list test Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-07 17:04   ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-02-08  2:59     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-08 11:10       ` Jose E. Marchesi
2024-02-06 22:04 ` [PATCH bpf-next 16/16] selftests/bpf: Add bpf_arena_htab test Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-07 12:34 ` [PATCH bpf-next 00/16] bpf: Introduce BPF arena Donald Hunter
2024-02-07 13:33   ` Barret Rhoden
2024-02-07 20:16     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-07 20:12   ` Alexei Starovoitov

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