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From: Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@gmail.com>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>,
	Andrey Ryabinin <ryabinin.a.a@gmail.com>,
	 Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	 Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	 Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	 Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	 kasan-dev@googlegroups.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/2] kasan: catch invalid free before SLUB reinitializes the object
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 14:54:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+fCnZf++VKo-VKYTJsuiYeP9LJoxHdd3nk1DL+tZP1TOQ9xrw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez12CMh2wM90EjF45+qvtRB41eq0Nms9ykRuf5-n7iBevg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 6:01 AM Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> wrote:
>
> > > @@ -503,15 +509,22 @@ bool __kasan_mempool_poison_object(void *ptr, unsigned long ip)
> > >                 kasan_poison(ptr, folio_size(folio), KASAN_PAGE_FREE, false);
> > >                 return true;
> > >         }
> > >
> > >         if (is_kfence_address(ptr))
> > >                 return false;
> > > +       if (!kasan_arch_is_ready())
> > > +               return true;
> >
> > Hm, I think we had a bug here: the function should return true in both
> > cases. This seems reasonable: if KASAN is not checking the object, the
> > caller can do whatever they want with it.
>
> But if the object is a kfence allocation, we maybe do want the caller
> to free it quickly so that kfence can catch potential UAF access? So
> "return false" in that case seems appropriate.

Return false would mean: allocation is buggy, do not use it and do not
free it (note that the return value meaning here is inverse compared
to the newly added check_slab_allocation()). And this doesn't seem
like something we want for KFENCE-managed objects. But regardless of
the return value here, the callers tend not to free these allocations
to the slab allocator, that's the point of mempools. So KFENCE won't
catch a UAF either way.

> Or maybe we don't
> because that makes the probability of catching an OOB access much
> lower if the mempool is going to always return non-kfence allocations
> as long as the pool isn't empty? Also I guess whether kfence vetoes
> reuse of kfence objects probably shouldn't depend on whether the
> kernel is built with KASAN... so I guess it would be more consistent
> to either put "return true" there or change the !KASAN stub of this to
> check for kfence objects or something like that? Honestly I think the
> latter would be most appropriate, though then maybe the hook shouldn't
> have "kasan" in its name...

Yeah, we could add some custom handling of mempool to KFENCE as well.
But that would be a separate effort.

> Either way, I agree that the current situation wrt mempools and kfence
> is inconsistent, but I think I should probably leave that as-is in my
> series for now, and the kfence mempool issue can be addressed
> separately afterwards? I also would like to avoid changing kfence
> behavior as part of this patch.

Sure, sounds good to me.

> If you want, I can add a comment above the "if (is_kfence_address())"
> that notes the inconsistency?

Up to you, I'll likely add a note to the bug tracker to fix this once
the patch lands anyway.

Thanks!


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-01 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-30 11:06 [PATCH v5 0/2] allow KASAN to detect UAF in SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU slabs Jann Horn
2024-07-30 11:06 ` [PATCH v5 1/2] kasan: catch invalid free before SLUB reinitializes the object Jann Horn
2024-08-01  0:22   ` Andrey Konovalov
2024-08-01  4:00     ` Jann Horn
2024-08-01 12:54       ` Andrey Konovalov [this message]
2024-08-02 11:05         ` Jann Horn
2024-08-02  9:56     ` Jann Horn
2024-08-02 19:35       ` Andrey Konovalov
2024-07-30 11:06 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] slub: Introduce CONFIG_SLUB_RCU_DEBUG Jann Horn
2024-07-30 11:30   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-01  0:23   ` Andrey Konovalov
2024-08-02  9:09     ` Jann Horn
2024-08-02 11:22       ` Jann Horn
2024-08-02 19:35         ` Andrey Konovalov
2024-08-02  8:06   ` Marco Elver
2024-08-02  8:16     ` Jann Horn

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