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From: Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@gmail.com>
To: Maciej Wieczor-Retman <maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com>,
	Vitaly Buka <vitalybuka@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/14] kasan: sw_tags: Use arithmetic shift for shadow computation
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 22:38:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+fCnZeEm+-RzqEXp1FqYJ5Gsm+mUZh5k3nq=92ZuTiqwsaWvA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6wdzi5lszeaycdfjjowrbsnniks35zhatavknktskslwop5fne@uv5wzotu4ri4>

On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 9:13 PM Maciej Wieczor-Retman
<maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com> wrote:
>
> >>Thanks for letting me know about the tag resets, that should make changing the
> >>check in kasan_non_canonical_hook() easier.
> >
> >Ah, but the [0xff00000000000000, 0xffffffffffffffff] won't be true for x86
> >right? Here the tag reset function only resets bits 60:57. So I presume
> >[0x3e00000000000000, 0xffffffffffffffff] would be the range?
>
> Sorry, brain freeze, I meant [0x1e00000000000000, 0xffffffffffffffff]

+Vitaly, who implemented [1]

Ah, so when the compiler calculates the shadow memory address on x86,
it does | 0x7E (== 0x3F << 1) [2] for when CompileKernel == true,
because LAM uses bits [62:57], I see.

What value can bit 63 and take for _valid kernel_ pointers (on which
KASAN is intended to operate)? If it is always 1, we could arguably
change the compiler to do | 0xFE for CompileKernel. Which would leave
us with only one region to check: [0xfe00000000000000,
0xffffffffffffffff]. But I don't know whether changing the compiler
makes sense: it technically does as instructed by the LAM spec.
(Vitaly, any thoughts? For context: we are discussing how to check
whether a pointer can be a result of a memory-to-shadow mapping
applied to a potentially invalid pointer in kernel HWASAN.)

With the way the compiler works right now, for the perfectly precise
check, I think we need to check 2 ranges: [0xfe00000000000000,
0xffffffffffffffff] for when bit 63 is set (of a potentially-invalid
pointer to which memory-to-shadow mapping is to be applied) and
[0x7e00000000000000, 0x7fffffffffffffff] for when bit 63 is reset. Bit
56 ranges through [0, 1] in both cases.

However, in these patches, you use only bits [60:57]. The compiler is
not aware of this, so it still sets bits [62:57], and we end up with
the same two ranges. But in the KASAN code, you only set bits [60:57],
and thus we can end up with 8 potential ranges (2 possible values for
each of the top 3 bits), which gets complicated. So checking only one
range that covers all of them seems to be reasonable for simplicity
even though not entirely precise. And yes, [0x1e00000000000000,
0xffffffffffffffff] looks like the what we need.

[1] https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/commit/cb6099ba43b9262a317083858a29fd31af7efa5c
[2] https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/llvmorg-20-init/llvm/lib/Transforms/Instrumentation/HWAddressSanitizer.cpp#L1259


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-25 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-18  8:15 [PATCH v2 00/14] kasan: x86: arm64: KASAN tag-based mode for x86 Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] kasan: sw_tags: Use arithmetic shift for shadow computation Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:29   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21 13:11     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-22 15:06       ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-25 17:20         ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-25 19:12           ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-25 20:12             ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-25 21:38               ` Andrey Konovalov [this message]
2025-02-26 16:42                 ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-26 19:44                   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-27 12:27                     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-28 16:12                       ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-01  0:21                         ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-04 14:06                           ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-07  1:10                             ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-13 14:56                               ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-18 15:31                                 ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-25 21:37           ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-27 12:33             ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-01  0:22               ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-04 12:29                 ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-07  1:10                   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-14 15:57                     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-18 15:32                       ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] kasan: sw_tags: Check kasan_flag_enabled at runtime Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21 14:35     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] kasan: sw_tags: Support outline stack tag generation Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] kasan: sw_tags: Support tag widths less than 8 bits Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] kasan: arm64: x86: Make special tags arch specific Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] x86: Add arch specific kasan functions Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21  8:40     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] x86: Reset tag for virtual to physical address conversions Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] x86: Physical address comparisons in fill_p*d/pte Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] mm: Pcpu chunk address tag reset Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-20 17:39   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2025-03-20 17:47     ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-21 10:40     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] x86: KASAN raw shadow memory PTE init Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] x86: LAM initialization Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] x86: Minimal SLAB alignment Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21  7:24     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] x86: runtime_const used for KASAN_SHADOW_END Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:31   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21 15:10     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-21 15:27       ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-22 15:08         ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-22 15:07       ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-25 17:15         ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-25 21:37           ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-26 11:52             ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-26 15:24               ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-26 17:03                 ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-21 19:20                 ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-21 20:16                   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-24 10:43                     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-24 10:50                       ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-24 21:58                         ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] x86: Make software tag-based kasan available Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:31   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-20 16:32     ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21 14:44     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-22 15:06       ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-25 15:39         ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-20  2:49   ` kernel test robot

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