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From: Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@gmail.com>
To: Maciej Wieczor-Retman <maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com>
Cc: Samuel Holland <samuel.holland@sifive.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	 linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	Andrey Ryabinin <ryabinin.a.a@gmail.com>,
	 Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	 Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	kasan-dev@googlegroups.com,  llvm@lists.linux.dev,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 Alexandre Ghiti <alexghiti@rivosinc.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	 Evgenii Stepanov <eugenis@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/9] kasan: sw_tags: Use arithmetic shift for shadow computation
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 02:21:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+fCnZdjTkreTcoo+J8wMhwDuAFM4g33U5BFy0OPtE0UCvyJbQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aqhm7lc57srsfuff3bceb3dcmsdyxksb7t6bgwbqi54ppevpoh@apolj3nteaz6>

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 7:07 PM Maciej Wieczor-Retman
<maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com> wrote:
>
> I did some experiments with multiple addresses passed through
> kasan_mem_to_shadow(). And it seems like we can get almost any address out when
> we consider any random bogus pointers.
>
> I used the KASAN_SHADOW_OFFSET from your example above. Userspace addresses seem
> to map to the range [KASAN_SHADOW_OFFSET - 0xffff8fffffffffff]. Then going
> through non-canonical addresses until 0x0007ffffffffffff we reach the end of
> kernel LA and we loop around. Then the addresses seem to go from 0 until we
> again start reaching the kernel space and then it maps into the proper shadow
> memory.
>
> It gave me the same results when using the previous version of
> kasan_mem_to_shadow() so I'm wondering whether I'm doing this experiment
> incorrectly or if there aren't any addresses we can rule out here?

By the definition of the shadow mapping, if we apply that mapping to
the whole 64-bit address space, the result will only contain 1/8th
(1/16th for SW/HW_TAGS) of that space.

For example, with the current upstream value of KASAN_SHADOW_OFFSET on
x86 and arm64, the value of the top 3 bits (4 for SW/HW_TAGS) of any
shadow address are always the same: KASAN_SHADOW_OFFSET's value is
such that the shadow address calculation never overflows. Addresses
that have a different value for those top 3 bits are the once we can
rule out.

The KASAN_SHADOW_OFFSET value from my example does rely on the
overflow (arguably, this makes things more confusing [1]). But still,
the possible values of shadow addresses should only cover 1/16th of
the address space.

So whether the address belongs to that 1/8th (1/16th) of the address
space is what we want to check in kasan_non_canonical_hook().

The current upstream version of kasan_non_canonical_hook() actually
does a simplified check by only checking for the lower bound (e.g. for
x86, there's also an upper bound: KASAN_SHADOW_OFFSET +
(0xffffffffffffffff >> 3) == 0xfffffbffffffffff), so we could improve
it.

[1] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218043


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-13  1:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-22  1:57 [PATCH v2 0/9] kasan: RISC-V support for KASAN_SW_TAGS using pointer masking Samuel Holland
2024-10-22  1:57 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] kasan: sw_tags: Use arithmetic shift for shadow computation Samuel Holland
2024-10-23 18:41   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-10 15:22     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-10 15:52       ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-10 22:57         ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-11  8:58           ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-11 13:42             ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-11 18:06           ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-13  1:21             ` Andrey Konovalov [this message]
2025-02-13  1:28               ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-13 16:20                 ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-14  8:20                   ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-17 16:13                     ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-17 18:37                       ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-17 19:00                         ` Andrey Konovalov
2024-10-22  1:57 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] kasan: sw_tags: Check kasan_flag_enabled at runtime Samuel Holland
2024-10-22  1:57 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] kasan: sw_tags: Support outline stack tag generation Samuel Holland
2024-10-23 18:42   ` Andrey Konovalov
2024-10-22  1:57 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] kasan: sw_tags: Support tag widths less than 8 bits Samuel Holland
2024-10-22 19:30   ` kernel test robot
2024-10-22 19:51   ` kernel test robot
2024-10-22  1:57 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] riscv: mm: Log potential KASAN shadow alias Samuel Holland
2024-11-05 13:44   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-10-22  1:57 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] riscv: Do not rely on KASAN to define the memory layout Samuel Holland
2024-11-05 13:47   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-10-22  1:57 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] riscv: Align the sv39 linear map to 16 GiB Samuel Holland
2024-11-05 13:55   ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-10-22  1:57 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] riscv: Add SBI Firmware Features extension definitions Samuel Holland
2024-10-22  1:57 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] riscv: Implement KASAN_SW_TAGS Samuel Holland
2024-10-23 18:42   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-05-28  5:38 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] kasan: RISC-V support for KASAN_SW_TAGS using pointer masking JiaJie Ho

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