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From: Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@gmail.com>
To: Maciej Wieczor-Retman <maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 13/14] x86: runtime_const used for KASAN_SHADOW_END
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 22:37:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+fCnZcsg13eoaDJpueZ=erWjosgLDeTrjXVaifA305qAFEYDQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uov3nar7yt7p3gb76mrmtw6fjfbxm5nmurn3hl72bkz6qwsfmv@ztvxz235oggw>

On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 6:16 PM Maciej Wieczor-Retman
<maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com> wrote:
>
> I mean in my tests, with setting offset in runtime, everything works correctly
> in inline mode. Even though hwasan-mapping-offset ends up empty and doesn't end
> up in CFLAGS_KASAN. I assume this means that the inline mode is pretty much the
> same as outline mode with the runtime offset setting?
>
> I also tested if hwasan-mapping-offset does anything if I passed random values
> to it by hardcoding them in the makefile and still everything seemed to work
> just fine. Therefore I assumed that this option doesn't have any effect on x86.

Hm that's weird. I wonder if inline instrumentation somehow gets auto-disabled.

> Hmm indeed it does. Then I'm not sure why I didn't crash when I started putting
> in random variables. I'll dive into assembly and see what's up in there.

Please do, I'm curious what's going on there.

> But anyway I have an idea how to setup the x86 offset for tag-based mode so it
> works for both paging modes. I did some testing and value
>         0xffeffc0000000000
> seems to work fine and has at least some of the benefits I was hoping for when
> doing the runtime_const thing. It works in both paging modes because in 5 levels
> it's just a little bit below the 0xffe0000000000000 that I was thinking about
> first and in 4 levels, because of LAM, it becomes 0xfffffc0000000000 (because in
> 4 level paging bits 62:48 are masked from address translation. So it's the same
> as the end of generic mode shadow memory space.
>
> The alignment doesn't fit the shadow memory size so it's not optimal but I'm not
> sure it can be if we want to have the inline mode and python scripts working at
> the same time. At the very least I think the KASAN_SHADOW_END won't collide with
> other things in the tab-based mode in 5 level paging mode, so no extra steps are
> needed (arch/x86/mm/kasan_init_64.c in kasan_init()).

What do you mean by "The alignment doesn't fit the shadow memory size"?

> Do you see any problems with this offset for x86 tag-based mode?

I don't, but I think someone who understands the x86 memory layout
better needs to look at this.

> Btw I think kasan_check_range() can be optimized on x86 if we use
> addr_has_metadata() that doesn't use KASAN_SHADOW_START. Getting rid of it from
> the implementation will remove pgtable_l5_enabled() which is pretty slow so
> kasan_check_range() which is called a lot would probably work much faster.
> Do you see any way in which addr_has_metadata() will make sense but won't use
> KASAN_SHADOW_START? Every one of my ideas ends up using pgtable_l5_enabled()
> because the metadata can have 6 or 15 bits depending on paging level.

What if we turn pgtable_l5_enabled() into using a read-only static key
(DEFINE_STATIC_KEY_FALSE_RO) instead of a bool variable? Or if that is
not acceptable, we could cache its value in a KASAN-specific static
key.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-25 21:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-18  8:15 [PATCH v2 00/14] kasan: x86: arm64: KASAN tag-based mode for x86 Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] kasan: sw_tags: Use arithmetic shift for shadow computation Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:29   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21 13:11     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-22 15:06       ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-25 17:20         ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-25 19:12           ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-25 20:12             ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-25 21:38               ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-26 16:42                 ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-26 19:44                   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-27 12:27                     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-28 16:12                       ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-01  0:21                         ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-04 14:06                           ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-07  1:10                             ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-13 14:56                               ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-18 15:31                                 ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-25 21:37           ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-27 12:33             ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-01  0:22               ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-04 12:29                 ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-07  1:10                   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-14 15:57                     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-18 15:32                       ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] kasan: sw_tags: Check kasan_flag_enabled at runtime Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21 14:35     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] kasan: sw_tags: Support outline stack tag generation Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] kasan: sw_tags: Support tag widths less than 8 bits Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] kasan: arm64: x86: Make special tags arch specific Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] x86: Add arch specific kasan functions Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21  8:40     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] x86: Reset tag for virtual to physical address conversions Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] x86: Physical address comparisons in fill_p*d/pte Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] mm: Pcpu chunk address tag reset Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-20 17:39   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2025-03-20 17:47     ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-21 10:40     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] x86: KASAN raw shadow memory PTE init Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] x86: LAM initialization Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] x86: Minimal SLAB alignment Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:30   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21  7:24     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] x86: runtime_const used for KASAN_SHADOW_END Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:31   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21 15:10     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-21 15:27       ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-22 15:08         ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-22 15:07       ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-25 17:15         ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-25 21:37           ` Andrey Konovalov [this message]
2025-02-26 11:52             ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-26 15:24               ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-26 17:03                 ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-21 19:20                 ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-21 20:16                   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-03-24 10:43                     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-24 10:50                       ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-03-24 21:58                         ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-18  8:15 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] x86: Make software tag-based kasan available Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-19 23:31   ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-20 16:32     ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-21 14:44     ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-22 15:06       ` Andrey Konovalov
2025-02-25 15:39         ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2025-02-20  2:49   ` kernel test robot

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