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From: Fabian Deutsch <fdeutsch@redhat.com>
To: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
Cc: Zhongkun He <hezhongkun.hzk@bytedance.com>,
	minchan@kernel.org,  senozhatsky@chromium.org, mhocko@suse.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	 David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] zram: charge the compressed RAM to the page's memcgroup
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 10:57:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+PVUaTqNTSYkTy9yCFF=Y+xkimgM+3YQRF7EYr1UruesQnJrg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOUHufZBUEm1P7gm0nFkPSFkNg2fPbs3v3qhL-R9m5yFNoW2YA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 6:59 AM Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 9:48 PM Zhongkun He
> <hezhongkun.hzk@bytedance.com> wrote:
> >
> > The compressed RAM is currently charged to kernel, not to
> > any memory cgroup, which is not satisfy our usage scenario.
> > if the memory of a task is limited by memcgroup, it will
> > swap out the memory to zram swap device when the memory
> > is insufficient. In that case, the memory limit will have
> > no effect.
> >
> > So, it should makes sense to charge the compressed RAM to
> > the page's memory cgroup.
>

While looking at this in the past weeks, I believe that there are two
distinct problems:
1. Direct zram usage by process within a cg ie. a process writing to a zram
device
2. Indirect zram usage by a process within a cg via swap (described above)

Both of them probably require different solutions.
In order to fix #1, accounting a zram device should be accounted towards a
cgroup. IMHO this is something that should be fixed.

Yu Zhao and Yosry are probably much more familiar with the solution to #2.
WRT per-cgrou-swapfile, to me this is addressing #2, but I agree with Yu
Zhao, that there are probably better solutions to this.

Lastly, this patchset, while it will possibly not address the swap issue
(#2) completely, is it satisfying the needs of #1?

- fabian


> We used to do this a long time ago, but we had per-memcg swapfiles [1[
> to prevent compressed pages from different memcgs from sharing the
> same zspage.
>
> Does this patchset alone suffer from the same problem, i.e., memcgs
> sharing zspages?
>
> [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/592923/
>
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-15  8:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-15  3:48 Zhongkun He
2023-06-15  4:59 ` Yu Zhao
2023-06-15  8:57   ` Fabian Deutsch [this message]
2023-06-15 10:00     ` [External] " 贺中坤
2023-06-15 12:14       ` Fabian Deutsch
2023-06-16  1:39     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-06-16  4:40       ` [External] " 贺中坤
2023-06-16  7:37         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-06-16  7:57           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-16  8:04             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-06-16  8:37               ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-16  8:39                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-06-15  9:32   ` Fabian Deutsch
2023-06-15  9:41   ` [External] " 贺中坤
2023-06-15  9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-15 11:15   ` [External] " 贺中坤
2023-06-15 11:19     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-15 12:19       ` 贺中坤
2023-06-15 12:56         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-15 13:40           ` 贺中坤
2023-06-15 14:46             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-16  3:44               ` 贺中坤
2023-06-15  9:35 ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-15 11:58   ` [External] " 贺中坤
2023-06-15 12:16     ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-15 13:09       ` 贺中坤
2023-06-15 13:27         ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-15 14:13           ` 贺中坤
2023-06-15 14:20             ` Michal Hocko
2023-06-16  3:31               ` 贺中坤
2023-06-16  6:40                 ` Michal Hocko

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