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From: Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 4/9] KVM: guest_memfd: Handle in-place shared memory as guest_memfd backed memory
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 14:51:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+EHjTxuAE1N3NOngNGfZYxPb1AJPmrUR5vhHpv353YUjEgfRg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <103b8afc-96e3-4a04-b36c-9a8154296426@redhat.com>

Hi David,

On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 at 20:42, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On 14.04.25 18:03, Fuad Tabba wrote:
> > Hi David,
> >
> > On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 at 12:51, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 18.03.25 17:18, Fuad Tabba wrote:
> >>> For VMs that allow sharing guest_memfd backed memory in-place,
> >>> handle that memory the same as "private" guest_memfd memory. This
> >>> means that faulting that memory in the host or in the guest will
> >>> go through the guest_memfd subsystem.
> >>>
> >>> Note that the word "private" in the name of the function
> >>> kvm_mem_is_private() doesn't necessarily indicate that the memory
> >>> isn't shared, but is due to the history and evolution of
> >>> guest_memfd and the various names it has received. In effect,
> >>> this function is used to multiplex between the path of a normal
> >>> page fault and the path of a guest_memfd backed page fault.
> >>>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>
> >>> ---
> >>>    include/linux/kvm_host.h | 3 ++-
> >>>    1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >>>
> >>> diff --git a/include/linux/kvm_host.h b/include/linux/kvm_host.h
> >>> index 601bbcaa5e41..3d5595a71a2a 100644
> >>> --- a/include/linux/kvm_host.h
> >>> +++ b/include/linux/kvm_host.h
> >>> @@ -2521,7 +2521,8 @@ static inline bool kvm_mem_is_private(struct kvm *kvm, gfn_t gfn)
> >>>    #else
> >>>    static inline bool kvm_mem_is_private(struct kvm *kvm, gfn_t gfn)
> >>>    {
> >>> -     return false;
> >>> +     return kvm_arch_gmem_supports_shared_mem(kvm) &&
> >>> +            kvm_slot_can_be_private(gfn_to_memslot(kvm, gfn));
> >>>    }
> >>>    #endif /* CONFIG_KVM_GENERIC_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES */
> >>>
> >>
> >> I've been thinking long about this, and was wondering if we should instead
> >> clean up the code to decouple the "private" from gmem handling first.
> >>
> >> I know, this was already discussed a couple of times, but faking that
> >> shared memory is private looks odd.
> >
> > I agree. I've been wanting to do that as part of a separate series,
> > since renaming discussions sometimes tend to take a disproportionate
> > amount of time.But the confusion the current naming (and overloading
> > of terms) is causing is probably worse.
>
> Exactly my thoughts. The cleanup diff I was able to come up with is not
> too crazy, so it feels feasible to just include the cleanups as a
> preparation for mmap() where we introduce the concept of shared memory
> in guest_memfd.
>
> >
> >>
> >> I played with the code to star cleaning this up. I ended up with the following
> >> gmem-terminology  cleanup patches (not even compile tested)
> >>
> >> KVM: rename CONFIG_KVM_GENERIC_PRIVATE_MEM to CONFIG_KVM_GENERIC_GMEM_POPULATE
> >> KVM: rename CONFIG_KVM_PRIVATE_MEM to CONFIG_KVM_GMEM
> >> KVM: rename kvm_arch_has_private_mem() to kvm_arch_supports_gmem()
> >> KVM: x86: rename kvm->arch.has_private_mem to kvm->arch.supports_gmem
> >> KVM: rename kvm_slot_can_be_private() to kvm_slot_has_gmem()
> >> KVM: x86: generalize private fault lookups to "gmem" fault lookups
> >>
> >> https://github.com/davidhildenbrand/linux/tree/gmem_shared_prep
> >>
> >> On top of that, I was wondering if we could look into doing something like
> >> the following. It would also allow for pulling pages out of gmem for
> >> existing SW-protected VMs once they enable shared memory for GMEM IIUC.
> >>
> >>
> >> diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/mmu/mmu.c b/arch/x86/kvm/mmu/mmu.c
> >> index 08eebd24a0e18..6f878cab0f466 100644
> >> --- a/arch/x86/kvm/mmu/mmu.c
> >> +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/mmu/mmu.c
> >> @@ -4495,11 +4495,6 @@ static int kvm_mmu_faultin_pfn_gmem(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu,
> >>    {
> >>           int max_order, r;
> >>
> >> -       if (!kvm_slot_has_gmem(fault->slot)) {
> >> -               kvm_mmu_prepare_memory_fault_exit(vcpu, fault);
> >> -               return -EFAULT;
> >> -       }
> >> -
> >>           r = kvm_gmem_get_pfn(vcpu->kvm, fault->slot, fault->gfn, &fault->pfn,
> >>                                &fault->refcounted_page, &max_order);
> >>           if (r) {
> >> @@ -4518,8 +4513,19 @@ static int __kvm_mmu_faultin_pfn(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu,
> >>                                    struct kvm_page_fault *fault)
> >>    {
> >>           unsigned int foll = fault->write ? FOLL_WRITE : 0;
> >> +       bool use_gmem = false;
> >> +
> >> +       if (fault->is_private) {
> >> +               if (!kvm_slot_has_gmem(fault->slot)) {
> >> +                       kvm_mmu_prepare_memory_fault_exit(vcpu, fault);
> >> +                       return -EFAULT;
> >> +               }
> >> +               use_gmem = true;
> >> +       } else if (kvm_slot_has_gmem_with_shared(fault->slot)) {
> >> +               use_gmem = true;
> >> +       }
> >>
> >> -       if (fault->is_private)
> >> +       if (use_gmem)
> >>                   return kvm_mmu_faultin_pfn_gmem(vcpu, fault);
> >>
> >>           foll |= FOLL_NOWAIT;
> >>
> >>
> >> That is, we'd not claim that things are private when they are not, but instead
> >> teach the code about shared memory coming from gmem.
> >>
> >> There might be some more missing, just throwing it out there if I am completely off.
> >
> > For me these changes seem to be reasonable all in all. I might want to
> > suggest a couple of modifications, but I guess the bigger question is
> > what the KVM maintainers and guest_memfd's main contributors think.
>
> I'm afraid we won't get a reply before we officially send it ...
>
> >
> > Also, how do you suggest we go about this? Send out a separate series
> > first, before continuing with the mapping series? Or have it all as
> > one big series? It could be something to add to the agenda for
> > Thursday.
>
> ... and ideally it would be part of this series. After all, this series
> shrunk a bit :)

True, although Ackerley is working hard on adding more things on top
(mainly selftests though) :) That said, having multiple series
floating around was clearly not the way to go. So yes, this will be
part of this series.

> Feel free to use my commits when helpful: they are still missing
> descriptions and probably have other issues. Feel free to turn my SOB
> into a Co-developed-by+SOB and make yourself the author.
>
> Alternatively, let me know and I can polish them up and we can discuss
> what you have in mind (either here or elsewhere).
>
> I'd suggest we go full-steam on this series to finally get it over the
> finish line :)

Sure. I can take it over from here and bug you whenever I have any questions :)

Cheers,
/fuad

> --
> Cheers,
>
> David / dhildenb
>


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-15 13:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-18 16:18 [PATCH v7 0/9] KVM: Mapping guest_memfd backed memory at the host for software protected VMs Fuad Tabba
2025-03-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v7 1/9] mm: Consolidate freeing of typed folios on final folio_put() Fuad Tabba
2025-04-14 10:00   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-14 10:15     ` Fuad Tabba
2025-03-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v7 2/9] KVM: guest_memfd: Handle final folio_put() of guest_memfd pages Fuad Tabba
2025-04-14 10:01   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-03-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v7 3/9] KVM: guest_memfd: Allow host to map guest_memfd() pages Fuad Tabba
2025-04-08 12:04   ` Shivank Garg
2025-04-08 13:17     ` Fuad Tabba
2025-04-08 16:58     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-04-09  7:17       ` Shivank Garg
2025-04-10 22:44         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-04-11 10:34           ` Shivank Garg
2025-04-14 10:06   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-14 10:15     ` Fuad Tabba
2025-03-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v7 4/9] KVM: guest_memfd: Handle in-place shared memory as guest_memfd backed memory Fuad Tabba
2025-04-14 11:51   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-14 16:03     ` Fuad Tabba
2025-04-14 19:42       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-15 13:51         ` Fuad Tabba [this message]
2025-04-15 17:23           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-14 18:07     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-04-14 20:06       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-15 21:50         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-04-16 12:53           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-16 12:30     ` Patrick Roy
2025-04-16 12:41       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-03-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v7 5/9] KVM: x86: Mark KVM_X86_SW_PROTECTED_VM as supporting guest_memfd shared memory Fuad Tabba
2025-03-26 14:42   ` kernel test robot
2025-03-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v7 6/9] KVM: arm64: Refactor user_mem_abort() calculation of force_pte Fuad Tabba
2025-03-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v7 7/9] KVM: arm64: Handle guest_memfd()-backed guest page faults Fuad Tabba
2025-03-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v7 8/9] KVM: arm64: Enable mapping guest_memfd in arm64 Fuad Tabba
2025-03-18 16:18 ` [PATCH v7 9/9] KVM: guest_memfd: selftests: guest_memfd mmap() test when mapping is allowed Fuad Tabba
2025-04-01 17:25   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-04-02  8:56     ` Fuad Tabba

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