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From: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
To: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFCv1 0/6] Page Detective
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 14:30:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+CK2bD4zcXVATVhcUHBsA7Adtmh9LzCStWRDQyo_DsXxTOahA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZzzXqXGRlAwk-H2m@google.com>

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 1:23 PM Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:08:36AM -0500, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 8:09 PM Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 05:08:42PM -0500, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> > > > Additionally, using crash/drgn is not feasible for us at this time, it
> > > > requires keeping external tools on our hosts, also it requires
> > > > approval and a security review for each script before deployment in
> > > > our fleet.
> > >
> > > So it's ok to add a totally insecure kernel feature to your fleet
> > > instead?  You might want to reconsider that policy decision :)
> >
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > While some risk is inherent, we believe the potential for abuse here
> > is limited, especially given the existing  CAP_SYS_ADMIN requirement.
> > But, even with root access compromised, this tool presents a smaller
> > attack surface than alternatives like crash/drgn. It exposes less
> > sensitive information, unlike crash/drgn, which could potentially
> > allow reading all of kernel memory.
>
> The problem here is with using dmesg for output. No security-sensitive
> information should go there. Even exposing raw kernel pointers is not
> considered safe.

I am OK in writing the output to a debugfs file in the next version,
the only concern I have is that implies that dump_page() would need to
be basically duplicated, as it now outputs everything via printk's.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-19 19:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-16 17:59 Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-16 17:59 ` [RFCv1 1/6] mm: Make get_vma_name() function public Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-18 10:26   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-11-18 20:40     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-18 20:44       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-11-18 22:26         ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-16 17:59 ` [RFCv1 2/6] pagewalk: Add a page table walker for init_mm page table Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-18  6:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-18 10:32     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-11-18 20:42     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-16 17:59 ` [RFCv1 3/6] mm: Add a dump_page variant that accept log level argument Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-16 17:59 ` [RFCv1 4/6] misc/page_detective: Introduce Page Detective Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-16 22:20   ` Jonathan Corbet
2024-11-18 20:43     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-18 11:11   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-11-18 21:55   ` Jann Horn
2024-11-16 17:59 ` [RFCv1 5/6] misc/page_detective: enable loadable module Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-16 17:59 ` [RFCv1 6/6] selftests/page_detective: Introduce self tests for Page Detective Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-17  6:25   ` Muhammad Usama Anjum
2024-11-18 20:27     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-18 11:17 ` [RFCv1 0/6] " Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-11-18 12:53   ` Jann Horn
2024-11-18 22:24     ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-19  0:39       ` Jann Horn
2024-11-19  1:29         ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-19 12:52           ` Jann Horn
2024-11-19 15:14             ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-19 15:53               ` Jann Horn
2024-11-19 18:51             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-11-18 19:11 ` Roman Gushchin
2024-11-18 22:08   ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-19  1:09     ` Greg KH
2024-11-19 15:08       ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-19 18:23         ` Roman Gushchin
2024-11-19 19:30           ` Pasha Tatashin [this message]
2024-11-19 19:35             ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-11-19 20:57               ` Roman Gushchin
2024-11-20 16:13               ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-20 17:33                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-11-20 17:46                   ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-20 15:29 ` Andi Kleen
2024-11-20 16:40   ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-11-20 19:14     ` Andi Kleen

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