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From: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/22] liveupdate: luo_core: integrate with KHO
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2025 10:14:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+CK2bA6vCH=RkiZjAOsh5iR52BY567bJB3HNAGqDb307YxVdw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aRSMsz4zy8QBbsIH@kernel.org>

> > FLB global objects act similarly to subsystem-wide data, except their
> > data has a clear creation and destruction time tied to preserved
> > files. When the first file of a particular type is added to LUO, this
> > global data is created; when the last file of that type is removed
> > (unpreserved or finished), this global data is destroyed, this is why
> > its life is bound to file lifecycle. Crucially, this global data is
> > accessible at any time while LUO owns the associated files spanning
> > the early boot update boundary.
>
> But there are no files at mm_core_init(). I'm really confused here.

This isn't about the files themselves, but about the subsystem global
data. The files are only used to describe the lifetime of this global
data.

I think mm_core_init() is too late, and the call would need to be
moved earlier to work correctly with subsystems. At the very least, we
will have to add some early FDT parsing to retrieve data during early
boot, but that would be part of the HugeTLB preservation work.

I can move liveupdate_init() inside kho_memory_init(), so we don't
need to modify mm_core_init(). Or, rename kho_memory_init to
kho_and_liveupdate_memory_init() and combine the two calls into a
single function in kexec_handover.c.

> > > So I think for now we can move liveupdate_init() later in boot and we will
> > > solve the problem of hugetlb reservations when we add support for hugetlb.
> >
> > HugeTLB reserves memory early in boot. If we already have preserved
> > HugeTLB pages via LUO/KHO, we must ensure they are counted against the
> > boot-time reservation. For example, if hugetlb_cma_reserve() needs to
> > reserve ten 1G pages, but LUO has already preserved seven, we only
> > need to reserve three new pages and the rest are going to be restored
> > with the files.
> >
> > Since this count is contained in the FLB global object, that data
> > needs to be available during the early reservation phase. (Pratyush is
> > working on HugeTLB preservation and can explain further).
>
> Not sure I really follow the design here, but in my understanding the gist
> here is that hugetlb reservations need to be aware of the preserved state.
> If that's the case, we definitely can move liveupdate_init() to an initcall
> and revisit this when hugetlb support for luo comes along.

This will break the in-kernel tests that ensure FLB data is accessible
and works correctly during early boot, as they use
early_initcall(liveupdate_test_early_init);.

We cannot rely on early_initcall() for liveupdate_init() because it
would compete with the test. We also can't move the test to a later
initcall, as that would break the verification of what FLB is
promising: early access to global data by subsystems that need it
(PCI, IOMMU Core, HugeTLB, etc.).

Thanks,
Pasha


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-12 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-07 21:02 [PATCH v5 00/22] Live Update Orchestrator Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:02 ` [PATCH v5 01/22] liveupdate: luo_core: luo_ioctl: " Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-13 13:37   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-13 13:56     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 02/22] liveupdate: luo_core: integrate with KHO Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-10 13:00   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-10 15:43     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-11 20:16       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-11 20:57         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-12 13:25           ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-12 14:58             ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-13 16:31               ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-13 18:38                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-11 20:25   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-11 20:39     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-11 20:42       ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-12 10:21         ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-12 12:46           ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-12 13:33             ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-12 15:14               ` Pasha Tatashin [this message]
2025-11-12 17:39                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-14 11:29   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-14 14:48     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 03/22] reboot: call liveupdate_reboot() before kexec Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-14 11:30   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 04/22] liveupdate: Kconfig: Make debugfs optional Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 05/22] liveupdate: kho: when live update add KHO image during kexec load Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-10 12:47   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-10 15:31     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-11 20:18       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-11 20:59         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 06/22] liveupdate: luo_session: add sessions support Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-12 20:39   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-12 20:47     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-14 12:49   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-14 14:07     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 07/22] liveupdate: luo_ioctl: add user interface Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-14 12:57   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-14 14:09     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 08/22] liveupdate: luo_file: implement file systems callbacks Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-10 17:27   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-10 17:42     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 09/22] liveupdate: luo_session: Add ioctls for file preservation and state management Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 10/22] liveupdate: luo_flb: Introduce File-Lifecycle-Bound global state Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 11/22] docs: add luo documentation Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 12/22] MAINTAINERS: add liveupdate entry Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 13/22] mm: shmem: use SHMEM_F_* flags instead of VM_* flags Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 14/22] mm: shmem: allow freezing inode mapping Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 15/22] mm: shmem: export some functions to internal.h Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 16/22] liveupdate: luo_file: add private argument to store runtime state Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 17/22] mm: memfd_luo: allow preserving memfd Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 18/22] docs: add documentation for memfd preservation via LUO Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-13 16:55   ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-13 16:59     ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 19/22] selftests/liveupdate: Add userspace API selftests Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 20/22] selftests/liveupdate: Add kexec-based selftest for session lifecycle Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 21/22] selftests/liveupdate: Add kexec test for multiple and empty sessions Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 21:03 ` [PATCH v5 22/22] tests/liveupdate: Add in-kernel liveupdate test Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-12 20:23   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-12 20:40     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-16 18:36       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-17 14:09         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-07 22:33 ` [PATCH v5 00/22] Live Update Orchestrator Andrew Morton
2025-11-08 18:13   ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-11-08 18:36     ` Andrew Morton
2025-11-09  2:31       ` Pasha Tatashin

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