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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/23] KAISER: unmap most of the kernel from userspace page tables
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:27:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFzS8GZ7QHzMU-JsievHU5T9LBrFx2fRwkbCB8a_YAxmsw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171031223146.6B47C861@viggo.jf.intel.com>

Inconveniently, the people you cc'd on the actual patches did *not*
get cc'd with this 00/23 cover letter email.

Also, the documentation was then hidden in patch 07/23, which wasn't
exactly obvious.

So I'd like this to be presented a bit differently.

That said, a couple of comments/questions on this version of the patch series..

 (a) is this on top of Andy's entry cleanups?

     If not, that probably needs to be sorted out.

 (b) the TLB global bit really is nastily done. You basically disable
_PAGE_GLOBAL entirely.

     I can see how/why that would make things simpler, but it's almost
certainly the wrong approach. The small subset of kernel pages that
are always mapped should definitely retain the global bit, so that you
don't always take a TLB miss on those! Those are probably some of the
most latency-critical pages, since there's generally no prefetching
for the kernel entry code or for things like IDT/GDT accesses..

     So even if you don't want to have global pages for normal kernel
entries, you don't want to just make _PAGE_GLOBAL be defined as zero.
You'd want to just use _PAGE_GLOBAL conditionally.

     Hmm?

 (c) am I reading the code correctly, and the shadow page tables are
*completely* duplicated?

     That seems insane. Why isn't only tyhe top level shadowed, and
then lower levels are shared between the shadowed and the "kernel"
page tables?

     But I may be mis-reading the code completely.

Apart from those three questions, I don't see any huge downside to the
patch series, apart from the obvious performance/complexity issues.

              Linus

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-31 23:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-31 22:31 Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:31 ` [PATCH 01/23] x86, kaiser: prepare assembly for entry/exit CR3 switching Dave Hansen
2017-11-01  0:43   ` Brian Gerst
2017-11-01  1:08     ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 18:18   ` Borislav Petkov
2017-11-01 18:27     ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 20:42       ` Borislav Petkov
2017-11-01 21:01   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-01 22:58     ` Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:31 ` [PATCH 02/23] x86, kaiser: do not set _PAGE_USER for init_mm page tables Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 21:11   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-01 21:24     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-01 21:28       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-01 21:52         ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 22:11           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-01 22:12           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-01 22:20             ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-01 22:45               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-02  7:10               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-02 11:33                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-02 11:59                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-02 12:56                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-02 16:38                   ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-02 18:19                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-02 18:24                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-02 18:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-02 18:40                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-02 18:57                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-02 21:41                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-02  7:07         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-02 11:21           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-10-31 22:31 ` [PATCH 03/23] x86, kaiser: disable global pages Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 21:18   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-01 22:12     ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 22:28       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-10-31 22:31 ` [PATCH 04/23] x86, tlb: make CR4-based TLB flushes more robust Dave Hansen
2017-11-01  8:01   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-01 10:11     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-11-01 10:38       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-01 10:56         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-11-01 11:18           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-01 22:21             ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 21:25   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-01 22:24     ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 22:30       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-10-31 22:31 ` [PATCH 05/23] x86, mm: document X86_CR4_PGE toggling behavior Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 23:31   ` Kees Cook
2017-10-31 22:31 ` [PATCH 06/23] x86, kaiser: introduce user-mapped percpu areas Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 21:47   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-10-31 22:31 ` [PATCH 07/23] x86, kaiser: unmap kernel from userspace page tables (core patch) Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 08/23] x86, kaiser: only populate shadow page tables for userspace Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 23:35   ` Kees Cook
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 09/23] x86, kaiser: allow NX to be set in p4d/pgd Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 10/23] x86, kaiser: make sure static PGDs are 8k in size Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 11/23] x86, kaiser: map GDT into user page tables Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 12/23] x86, kaiser: map dynamically-allocated LDTs Dave Hansen
2017-11-01  8:00   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-01  8:06     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 13/23] x86, kaiser: map espfix structures Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 14/23] x86, kaiser: map entry stack variables Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 15/23] x86, kaiser: map trace interrupt entry Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 16/23] x86, kaiser: map debug IDT tables Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 17/23] x86, kaiser: map virtually-addressed performance monitoring buffers Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 18/23] x86, mm: Move CR3 construction functions Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 19/23] x86, mm: remove hard-coded ASID limit checks Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 20/23] x86, mm: put mmu-to-h/w ASID translation in one place Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 21/23] x86, pcid, kaiser: allow flushing for future ASID switches Dave Hansen
2017-11-01  8:03   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-01 14:17     ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 20:31       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-01 20:59         ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 21:04           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-01 21:06             ` Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 22/23] x86, kaiser: use PCID feature to make user and kernel switches faster Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 22:32 ` [PATCH 23/23] x86, kaiser: add Kconfig Dave Hansen
2017-10-31 23:59   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-01  9:07     ` Borislav Petkov
2017-10-31 23:27 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2017-10-31 23:44   ` [PATCH 00/23] KAISER: unmap most of the kernel from userspace page tables Dave Hansen
2017-11-01  0:21     ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01  7:59     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-01 16:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-01 17:31       ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 17:58         ` Randy Dunlap
2017-11-01 18:27         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-01 18:46           ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 19:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-01 20:33               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-02  7:32                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-02  7:54                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-01 15:53   ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01  8:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-11-01 14:09   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-01 22:14   ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-01 22:28     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-02  8:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-03 11:07     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-11-02 19:01 ` Will Deacon
2017-11-02 19:38   ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-03 13:41     ` Will Deacon
2017-11-22 16:19 ` Pavel Machek
2017-11-23 10:47   ` Pavel Machek

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