From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/2] x86_64: expand kernel stack to 16K
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:41:11 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFyRk6_v6COPGVvu6hvt=i2A8-dPcs1X3Ydn1g24AxbPkg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140528223142.GO8554@dastard>
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
>
> Indeed, the call chain reported here is not caused by swap issuing
> IO.
Well, that's one way of reading that callchain.
I think it's the *wrong* way of reading it, though. Almost dishonestly
so. Because very clearly, the swapout _is_ what causes the unplugging
of the IO queue, and does so because it is allocating the BIO for its
own IO. The fact that that then fails (because of other IO's in
flight), and causes *other* IO to be flushed, doesn't really change
anything fundamental. It's still very much swap that causes that
"let's start IO".
IOW, swap-out directly caused that extra 3kB of stack use in what was
a deep call chain (due to memory allocation). I really don't
understand why you are arguing anything else on a pure technicality.
I thought you had some other argument for why swap was different, and
against removing that "page_is_file_cache()" special case in
shrink_page_list().
Linus
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Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-28 6:53 [PATCH 1/2] ftrace: print stack usage right before Oops Minchan Kim
2014-05-28 6:53 ` [RFC 2/2] x86_64: expand kernel stack to 16K Minchan Kim
2014-05-28 8:37 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-28 9:13 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-28 16:06 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 21:55 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-29 6:06 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-28 9:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-29 1:09 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-29 2:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29 4:11 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-29 2:47 ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-28 9:27 ` Borislav Petkov
2014-05-29 13:23 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-05-28 14:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-28 14:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-28 22:11 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-28 22:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-28 23:17 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-28 23:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-28 15:43 ` Richard Weinberger
2014-05-28 16:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-28 16:11 ` Richard Weinberger
2014-05-28 16:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-28 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-28 22:31 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-28 22:41 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2014-05-29 1:30 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-29 1:58 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-29 2:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-29 23:36 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-30 0:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-30 0:20 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-30 0:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-30 0:50 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-30 1:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-30 1:58 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-30 2:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-30 6:21 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-30 1:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-30 0:15 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-30 2:12 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-30 4:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-31 1:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-30 6:12 ` Minchan Kim
2014-06-03 13:28 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2014-06-03 19:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-29 2:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-29 5:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-29 6:01 ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-29 7:26 ` virtio ring cleanups, which save stack on older gcc Rusty Russell
2014-05-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 1/4] Hack: measure stack taken by vring from virtio_blk Rusty Russell
2014-05-29 15:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 2/4] virtio_net: pass well-formed sg to virtqueue_add_inbuf() Rusty Russell
2014-05-29 10:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 3/4] virtio_ring: assume sgs are always well-formed Rusty Russell
2014-05-29 11:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 4/4] virtio_ring: unify direct/indirect code paths Rusty Russell
2014-05-29 7:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 11:05 ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-29 11:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-29 11:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-30 2:37 ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-29 7:41 ` virtio ring cleanups, which save stack on older gcc Minchan Kim
2014-05-29 10:39 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-29 11:08 ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-29 23:45 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-30 1:06 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-30 6:56 ` Rusty Russell
2014-05-29 7:26 ` [RFC 2/2] x86_64: expand kernel stack to 16K Dave Chinner
2014-05-29 15:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-29 23:40 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-29 23:53 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-30 0:06 ` Dave Jones
2014-05-30 0:21 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-30 0:29 ` Dave Jones
2014-05-30 0:32 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-30 1:34 ` Dave Chinner
2014-05-30 15:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-30 15:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-30 15:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-30 16:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-30 17:24 ` Dave Hansen
2014-05-30 18:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-30 9:48 ` Richard Weinberger
2014-05-30 15:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-31 2:06 ` Jens Axboe
2014-06-02 22:59 ` Dave Chinner
2014-06-03 13:02 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-05-29 3:46 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-29 4:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-05-29 5:10 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-30 21:23 ` Andi Kleen
2014-05-28 16:18 ` [PATCH 1/2] ftrace: print stack usage right before Oops Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29 3:52 ` Minchan Kim
2014-05-29 3:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-29 3:49 ` Minchan Kim
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