From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
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"Liguori, Anthony" <aliguori@amazon.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/17] mm/gup: Fixup p*_access_permitted()
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 16:20:31 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFxdHSYYA0HOctCXeqLMjku8WjuAcddCGR_Lr5sOfca10Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171215075147.nzpsmb7asyr6etig@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> So we actually need the pte_access_permitted() stuff if we want to
> ensure we're not stepping on !PAGE_USER things.
We really don't. Not in that complex and broken format, and not for every level.
Also, while I think we *should* check the PAGE_USER bit when walking
the page tables, like we used to, we should
(a) do it much more simply, not with that broken interface that takes
insane and pointless flags
(b) not tie it together with this issue at all, since the PAGE_USER
thing really is largely immaterial.
The fact is, if we have non-user mappings in the user part of the
address space, we _need_ to teach access_ok() about them, because
fundamentally any "get_user()/put_user()" will happily ignore the lack
of PAGE_USER (since those happen from kernel space).
So I'd like to check PAGE_USER in GUP simply because it's a simple
sanity check, not because it is important.
And that whole "p??_access_permitted() checks against the current
PKRU" is just incredible shit. It's currently broken, exactly because
"current PKRU" isn't even well-defined when you do it across different
threads, much less different address spaces.
This is why I'm 100% convinced that the current
"p??_access_permitted()" is just pure and utter garbage. And it's
garbage at a _fundamental_ level, not because of some small
implementation detail.
Linus
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-12-16 0:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-12-14 11:27 [PATCH v2 00/17] x86/ldt: Use a VMA based read only mapping Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] mm/gup: Fixup p*_access_permitted() Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 12:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 14:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 20:44 ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-14 20:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 21:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-15 5:04 ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-15 6:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-15 7:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-16 0:20 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2017-12-16 0:29 ` Dan Williams
2017-12-16 1:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-16 1:25 ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-16 2:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-16 2:48 ` Al Viro
2017-12-16 2:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-16 3:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-16 3:21 ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-16 1:29 ` Dan Williams
2017-12-16 0:31 ` Al Viro
2017-12-16 1:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-15 8:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-15 10:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-15 11:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-15 16:38 ` Dan Williams
2017-12-18 11:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-18 18:42 ` Dan Williams
2017-12-15 14:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] mm: Exempt special mappings from mlock(), mprotect() and madvise() Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 17:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-02 16:44 ` Dmitry Safonov
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] arch: Allow arch_dup_mmap() to fail Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] x86/ldt: Rework locking Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] x86/ldt: Prevent ldt inheritance on exec Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:32 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] x86/ldt: Do not install LDT for kernel threads Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 19:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 21:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] mm/softdirty: Move VM_SOFTDIRTY into high bits Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] mm/x86: Allow special mappings with user access cleared Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] mm: Provide vm_special_mapping::close Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] selftest/x86: Implement additional LDT selftests Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] selftests/x86/ldt_gdt: Prepare for access bit forced Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 19:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 21:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 21:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 21:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 22:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 22:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 22:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 22:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 22:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 22:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 22:30 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 22:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-12-14 22:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] mm: Make populate_vma_page_range() available Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] x86/mm: Force LDT desc accessed bit Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] x86/ldt: Reshuffle code Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 16:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-12-14 16:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-12-14 16:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 17:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] x86/ldt: Prepare for VMA mapping Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] x86/ldt: Add VMA management code Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] x86/ldt: Make it read only VMA mapped Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 12:03 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] x86/ldt: Use a VMA based read only mapping Thomas Gleixner
2017-12-14 12:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-14 16:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-12-14 17:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
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