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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>
Cc: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Marc MERLIN <marc@merlins.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: 4.8.8 kernel trigger OOM killer repeatedly when I have lots of RAM that should be free
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:37:09 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFxFXKS3udYZMmBTqtk=FEb2e+soS7_WO0dDht4sTwRqaQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dfa22578-745f-063f-b5f6-fe92a281d957@fb.com>

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com> wrote:
>
> It's two different kinds of throttling. The vm absolutely should
> throttle at dirty time, to avoid having insane amounts of memory dirty.
> On the block layer side, throttling is about avoid the device queues
> being too long. It's very similar to the buffer bloating on the
> networking side. The block layer throttling is not a fix for the vm
> allowing too much memory to be dirty and causing issues, it's about
> keeping the device response latencies in check.

Sure. But if we really do just end up blocking in the block layer (in
situations where we didn't used to), that may be a bad thing. It might
be better to feed that information back to the VM instead,
particularly for writes, where the VM layer already tries to ratelimit
the writes.

And frankly, it's almost purely writes that matter. There  just aren't
a lot of ways to get that many parallel reads in real life.

I haven't looked at your patches, so maybe you already do this.

             Linus

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-01 18:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-21 15:43 Marc MERLIN
2016-11-21 16:30 ` Marc MERLIN
2016-11-21 21:50 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-11-21 21:56   ` Marc MERLIN
2016-11-21 23:03     ` [PATCH] block,blkcg: use __GFP_NOWARN for best-effort allocations in blkcg Tejun Heo
2016-11-22 15:47       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-11-22 16:48         ` Tejun Heo
2016-11-22 22:13           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-23  8:50             ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-11-28 17:19               ` Tejun Heo
2016-11-29  7:25                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-29 16:38                   ` Tejun Heo
2016-11-29 16:57                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-11-29 17:13                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-29 17:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-29 17:28                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-29 17:48                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-22 16:00       ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-22 16:06     ` 4.8.8 kernel trigger OOM killer repeatedly when I have lots of RAM that should be free Marc MERLIN
2016-11-22 16:14       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-11-22 16:25         ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-22 16:47           ` Marc MERLIN
2016-11-22 16:38         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-29 16:25           ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-29 16:43             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-22 19:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-23  6:34           ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-23  6:53             ` Hillf Danton
2016-11-23  7:00               ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-23  9:18             ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-11-28  7:23             ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-28 20:55               ` Marc MERLIN
2016-11-29 15:55               ` Marc MERLIN
2016-11-29 16:07                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-29 16:34                   ` Marc MERLIN
2016-11-29 17:07                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-29 17:40                       ` Marc MERLIN
2016-11-29 18:01                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-30 17:47                           ` Marc MERLIN
2016-11-30 18:14                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-30 18:21                               ` Marc MERLIN
2016-11-30 18:27                               ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-30 20:30                               ` Tejun Heo
2016-12-01 13:50                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2016-12-01 18:16                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-01 18:30                                     ` Jens Axboe
2016-12-01 18:37                                       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2016-12-01 18:46                                         ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-29 20:11                         ` Holger Hoffstätte
2016-11-29 23:01                         ` Marc MERLIN
2016-11-30 13:58                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-05-02  4:12                           ` Marc MERLIN
2017-05-02  7:44                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-02 14:15                               ` Marc MERLIN
2017-05-02 10:44                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-11-29 16:15               ` Marc MERLIN
2016-11-22 21:46         ` Simon Kirby
2016-11-28  8:06           ` Vlastimil Babka

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