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From: Shawn Landden <slandden@gmail.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v2] prctl: prctl(PR_SET_IDLE, PR_IDLE_MODE_KILLME), for stateless idle loops
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 20:45:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+49okqZ8CME0EN1xS_cCTc5Q-fGRreg0makhzNNuRpGs3mjfw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171103090915.uuaqo56phdbt6gnf@dhcp22.suse.cz>

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On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 2:09 AM, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Thu 02-11-17 23:35:44, Shawn Landden wrote:
> > It is common for services to be stateless around their main event loop.
> > If a process sets PR_SET_IDLE to PR_IDLE_MODE_KILLME then it
> > signals to the kernel that epoll_wait() and friends may not complete,
> > and the kernel may send SIGKILL if resources get tight.
> >
> > See my systemd patch: https://github.com/shawnl/systemd/tree/prctl
> >
> > Android uses this memory model for all programs, and having it in the
> > kernel will enable integration with the page cache (not in this
> > series).
> >
> > 16 bytes per process is kinda spendy, but I want to keep
> > lru behavior, which mem_score_adj does not allow. When a supervisor,
> > like Android's user input is keeping track this can be done in
> user-space.
> > It could be pulled out of task_struct if an cross-indexing additional
> > red-black tree is added to support pid-based lookup.
>
> This is still an abuse and the patch is wrong. We really do have an API
> to use I fail to see why you do not use it.
>
When I looked at wait_queue_head_t it was 20 byes.

>
> [...]
> > @@ -1018,6 +1060,24 @@ bool out_of_memory(struct oom_control *oc)
> >                       return true;
> >       }
> >
> > +     /*
> > +      * Check death row for current memcg or global.
> > +      */
> > +     l = oom_target_get_queue(current);
> > +     if (!list_empty(l)) {
> > +             struct task_struct *ts = list_first_entry(l,
> > +                             struct task_struct, se.oom_target_queue);
> > +
> > +             pr_debug("Killing pid %u from EPOLL_KILLME death row.",
> > +                      ts->pid);
> > +
> > +             /* We use SIGKILL instead of the oom killer
> > +              * so as to cleanly interrupt ep_poll()
> > +              */
> > +             send_sig(SIGKILL, ts, 1);
> > +             return true;
> > +     }
>
> Still not NUMA aware and completely backwards. If this is a memcg OOM
> then it is _memcg_ to evaluate not the current. The oom might happen up
> the hierarchy due to hard limit.
>
> But still, you should be very clear _why_ the existing oom tuning is not
> appropropriate and we can think of a way to hanle it better but cramming
> the oom selection this way is simply not acceptable.
> --
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-18  4:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-01  5:32 [RFC] EPOLL_KILLME: New flag to epoll_wait() that subscribes process to death row (new syscall) Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 14:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-01 15:16 ` Colin Walters
2017-11-01 15:22   ` Colin Walters
2017-11-03  9:22     ` peter enderborg
2017-11-01 19:02   ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 19:37     ` Colin Walters
2017-11-01 19:43       ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 20:54       ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-02 15:24       ` Shawn Paul Landden
2017-11-01 19:05   ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-01 22:10 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-11-02  7:36   ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-02 15:45 ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-03  6:35 ` [RFC v2] prctl: prctl(PR_SET_IDLE, PR_IDLE_MODE_KILLME), for stateless idle loops Shawn Landden
2017-11-03  9:09   ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-18  4:45     ` Shawn Landden [this message]
2017-11-19  4:19       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-20  8:35       ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-21  4:48         ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  7:05           ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-18 20:33     ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  4:49   ` [RFC v3] It is common for services to be stateless around their main event loop. If a process sets PR_SET_IDLE to PR_IDLE_MODE_KILLME then it signals to the kernel that epoll_wait() and friends may not complete, and the kernel may send SIGKILL if resources get tight Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  4:56     ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  5:16     ` [RFC v4] " Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  5:26       ` Shawn Landden
2017-11-21  9:14       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-22 10:29   ` [RFC v2] prctl: prctl(PR_SET_IDLE, PR_IDLE_MODE_KILLME), for stateless idle loops peter enderborg

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