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From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
To: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, hughd@google.com, david@redhat.com,
	lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com, dev.jain@arm.com,
	baohua@kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] mm: huge_memory: disallow hugepages if the system-wide THP sysfs settings are disabled
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 10:39:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C4C4DA74-EA98-4712-A2C8-E8075B6375D3@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adb8d5032ecc7b6935e3197cafffe92cbc7581e6.1750666536.git.baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>

On 23 Jun 2025, at 4:28, Baolin Wang wrote:

> When invoking thp_vma_allowable_orders(), the TVA_ENFORCE_SYSFS flag is not
> specified, we will ignore the THP sysfs settings. Whilst it makes sense for the
> callers who do not specify this flag, it creates a odd and surprising situation
> where a sysadmin specifying 'never' for all THP sizes still observing THP pages
> being allocated and used on the system.
>
> The motivating case for this is MADV_COLLAPSE. The MADV_COLLAPSE will ignore
> the system-wide Anon THP sysfs settings, which means that even though we have
> disabled the Anon THP configuration, MADV_COLLAPSE will still attempt to collapse
> into a Anon THP. This violates the rule we have agreed upon: never means never.
>
> Currently, besides MADV_COLLAPSE not setting TVA_ENFORCE_SYSFS, there is only
> one other instance where TVA_ENFORCE_SYSFS is not set, which is in the
> collapse_pte_mapped_thp() function, but I believe this is reasonable from its
> comments:
>
> "
> /*
>  * If we are here, we've succeeded in replacing all the native pages
>  * in the page cache with a single hugepage. If a mm were to fault-in
>  * this memory (mapped by a suitably aligned VMA), we'd get the hugepage
>  * and map it by a PMD, regardless of sysfs THP settings. As such, let's
>  * analogously elide sysfs THP settings here.
>  */
> if (!thp_vma_allowable_order(vma, vma->vm_flags, 0, PMD_ORDER))
> "
>
> Another rule for madvise, referring to David's suggestion: “allowing for
> collapsing in a VM without VM_HUGEPAGE in the "madvise" mode would be fine".
>
> To address this issue, the current strategy should be:
>
> If no hugepage modes are enabled for the desired orders, nor can we enable them
> by inheriting from a 'global' enabled setting - then it must be the case that
> all desired orders either specify or inherit 'NEVER' - and we must abort.
>
> Meanwhile, we should fix the khugepaged selftest for MADV_COLLAPSE by enabling
> THP.
>
> Suggested-by: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
> Signed-off-by: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
> ---
>  include/linux/huge_mm.h                 | 51 ++++++++++++++++++-------
>  tools/testing/selftests/mm/khugepaged.c |  6 +--
>  2 files changed, 39 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
>
The code looks much cleaner. Thanks.

Reviewed-by: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>

--
Best Regards,
Yan, Zi


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-06-23 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-23  8:28 [PATCH v3 0/2] fix MADV_COLLAPSE issue if THP " Baolin Wang
2025-06-23  8:28 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] mm: huge_memory: disallow hugepages if the system-wide THP sysfs " Baolin Wang
2025-06-23 10:26   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-24  1:45     ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-23 11:08   ` Barry Song
2025-06-24  1:44     ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-23 13:54   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-24  1:48     ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-24  8:29       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-24  9:20         ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-23 14:39   ` Zi Yan [this message]
2025-06-24  8:41   ` Dev Jain
2025-06-24  9:57     ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-24 14:08       ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-24 14:42         ` Dev Jain
2025-06-23  8:28 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] mm: shmem: disallow hugepages if the system-wide shmem " Baolin Wang
2025-06-23 10:45   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-23 13:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-24  1:52     ` Baolin Wang

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