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From: Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>
To: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
Cc: Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Arjun Roy <arjunroy@google.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC] NUMA balancing: reduce TLB flush via delaying mapping on hint page fault
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 09:36:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C42F16F8-646B-448D-A098-E1A98637E28D@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210331131658.GV15768@suse.de>

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> On Mar 31, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 07:20:09PM +0800, Huang, Ying wrote:
>> Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> writes:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 02:26:51PM +0800, Huang Ying wrote:
>>>> For NUMA balancing, in hint page fault handler, the faulting page will
>>>> be migrated to the accessing node if necessary.  During the migration,
>>>> TLB will be shot down on all CPUs that the process has run on
>>>> recently.  Because in the hint page fault handler, the PTE will be
>>>> made accessible before the migration is tried.  The overhead of TLB
>>>> shooting down is high, so it's better to be avoided if possible.  In
>>>> fact, if we delay mapping the page in PTE until migration, that can be
>>>> avoided.  This is what this patch doing.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Why would the overhead be high? It was previously inaccessibly so it's
>>> only parallel accesses making forward progress that trigger the need
>>> for a flush.
>> 
>> Sorry, I don't understand this.  Although the page is inaccessible, the
>> threads may access other pages, so TLB flushing is still necessary.
>> 
> 
> You assert the overhead of TLB shootdown is high and yes, it can be
> very high but you also said "the benchmark score has no visible changes"
> indicating the TLB shootdown cost is not a major problem for the workload.
> It does not mean we should ignore it though.

If you are looking for a benchmark that is negatively affected by NUMA
balancing, then IIRC Parsec’s dedup is such a workload. [1]

[1] https://parsec.cs.princeton.edu/

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-31 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-29  6:26 Huang Ying
2021-03-30 13:33 ` Mel Gorman
2021-03-31 11:20   ` Huang, Ying
2021-03-31 13:16     ` Mel Gorman
2021-03-31 16:36       ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2021-04-01  8:38         ` Mel Gorman
2021-04-01 19:21           ` Nadav Amit
2021-04-01  0:52       ` Huang, Ying

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