From: Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>
To: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>,
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Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
kernel-team@meta.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4 07/14] mm/sparse: Check memmap alignment for compound_info_has_mask()
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 10:32:28 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BFECEA67-90EC-444A-87A3-A220168B1B67@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aXJHI8El7QHXQuwT@thinkstation>
> On Jan 23, 2026, at 01:59, Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 10:02:24PM +0800, Muchun Song wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2026, at 20:43, Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 07:42:47PM +0800, Muchun Song wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2026, at 19:33, Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2026, at 19:28, Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:10:26AM +0800, Muchun Song wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2026, at 00:22, Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If page->compound_info encodes a mask, it is expected that memmap to be
>>>>>>>> naturally aligned to the maximum folio size.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Add a warning if it is not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A warning is sufficient as MAX_FOLIO_ORDER is very rarely used, so the
>>>>>>>> kernel is still likely to be functional if this strict check fails.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> include/linux/mmzone.h | 1 +
>>>>>>>> mm/sparse.c | 5 +++++
>>>>>>>> 2 files changed, 6 insertions(+)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> diff --git a/include/linux/mmzone.h b/include/linux/mmzone.h
>>>>>>>> index 390ce11b3765..7e4f69b9d760 100644
>>>>>>>> --- a/include/linux/mmzone.h
>>>>>>>> +++ b/include/linux/mmzone.h
>>>>>>>> @@ -91,6 +91,7 @@
>>>>>>>> #endif
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #define MAX_FOLIO_NR_PAGES (1UL << MAX_FOLIO_ORDER)
>>>>>>>> +#define MAX_FOLIO_SIZE (PAGE_SIZE << MAX_FOLIO_ORDER)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> enum migratetype {
>>>>>>>> MIGRATE_UNMOVABLE,
>>>>>>>> diff --git a/mm/sparse.c b/mm/sparse.c
>>>>>>>> index 17c50a6415c2..5f41a3edcc24 100644
>>>>>>>> --- a/mm/sparse.c
>>>>>>>> +++ b/mm/sparse.c
>>>>>>>> @@ -600,6 +600,11 @@ void __init sparse_init(void)
>>>>>>>> BUILD_BUG_ON(!is_power_of_2(sizeof(struct mem_section)));
>>>>>>>> memblocks_present();
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> + if (compound_info_has_mask()) {
>>>>>>>> + WARN_ON(!IS_ALIGNED((unsigned long)pfn_to_page(0),
>>>>>>>> + MAX_FOLIO_SIZE / sizeof(struct page)));
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still have concerns about this. If certain architectures or configurations,
>>>>>>> especially when KASLR is enabled, do not meet the requirements during the
>>>>>>> boot stage, only specific folios larger than a certain size might end up with
>>>>>>> incorrect struct page entries as the system runs. How can we detect issues
>>>>>>> arising from either updating the struct page or making incorrect logical
>>>>>>> judgments based on information retrieved from the struct page?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After all, when we see this warning, we don't know when or if a problem will
>>>>>>> occur in the future. It's like a time bomb in the system, isn't it? Therefore,
>>>>>>> I would like to add a warning check to the memory allocation place, for
>>>>>>> example:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WARN_ON(!IS_ALIGNED((unsigned long)&folio->page, folio_size / sizeof(struct page)));
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think it is needed. Any compound page usage would trigger the
>>>>>> problem. It should happen pretty early.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you think it would be discovered early? If the alignment of struct page
>>>>> can only meet the needs of 4M pages (i.e., the largest pages that buddy can
>>>>> allocate), how can you be sure that there will be a similar path using CMA
>>>>> early on if the system allocates through CMA in the future (after all, CMA
>>>>> is used much less than buddy)?
>>>
>>> True.
>>>
>>>> Suppose we are more aggressive. If the alignment requirement of struct page
>>>> cannot meet the needs of 2GB pages (which is an uncommon memory allocation
>>>> requirement), then users might not care about such a warning message after
>>>> the system boots. And if there is no allocation of pages greater than or
>>>> equal to 2GB for a period of time in the future, the system will have no
>>>> problems. But once some path allocates pages greater than or equal to 2GB,
>>>> the system will go into chaos. And by that time, the system log may no
>>>> longer have this warning message. Is that not the case?
>>>
>>> It is.
>>>
>>> I expect the warning to be reported early if we have configurations that
>>> do not satisfy the alignment requirement even in absence of the crash.
>>
>> If you’re saying the issue was only caught during
>> testing, keep in mind that with KASLR enabled the
>> warning is triggered at run-time; you can’t assume it
>> will never appear in production.
>
> Let's look at what architectures actually do with vmemmap.
>
> On 64-bit machines, we want vmemmap to be naturally aligned to
> accommodate 16GiB pages.
>
> Assuming 64 byte struct page, it requires 256 MiB alignment for 4K
> PAGE_SIZE, 64MiB for 16K PAGE_SIZE and 16MiB for 64K PAGE_SIZE.
>
> Only 3 architectures support HVO (select ARCH_WANT_OPTIMIZE_HUGETLB_VMEMMAP):
> loongarch, riscv and x86. We should make the feature conditional to HVO
> to limit exposure.
>
> I am not sure why arm64 is not in the club.
>
> x86 aligns vmemmap to 1G - OK.
>
> loongarch aligns vmemmap to PMD_SIZE does not fit us with 4K and 16K
> PAGE_SIZE. It should be easily fixable. No KALSR.
>
> riscv aligns vmemmap to section size (128MiB) which is not enough.
> Again, easily fixable.
>
OK. After we fix all problems, I think changing WARN_ON to BUG_ON is fine.
> --
> Kiryl Shutsemau / Kirill A. Shutemov
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-23 5:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-21 16:22 [PATCHv4 00/14] mm: Eliminate fake head pages from vmemmap optimization Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 01/14] mm: Move MAX_FOLIO_ORDER definition to mmzone.h Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 16:29 ` Zi Yan
2026-01-22 2:24 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 02/14] mm: Change the interface of prep_compound_tail() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 16:32 ` Zi Yan
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 03/14] mm: Rename the 'compound_head' field in the 'struct page' to 'compound_info' Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 16:34 ` Zi Yan
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 04/14] mm: Move set/clear_compound_head() next to compound_head() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 16:35 ` Zi Yan
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 05/14] mm: Rework compound_head() for power-of-2 sizeof(struct page) Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 17:12 ` Zi Yan
2026-01-22 11:29 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-22 11:52 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 06/14] mm: Make page_zonenum() use head page Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 16:28 ` Zi Yan
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 07/14] mm/sparse: Check memmap alignment for compound_info_has_mask() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 17:58 ` Zi Yan
2026-01-22 11:22 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-22 3:10 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-22 11:28 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-22 11:33 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-22 11:42 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-22 12:42 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-22 14:02 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-22 17:59 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-23 2:32 ` Muchun Song [this message]
2026-01-23 12:07 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 08/14] mm/hugetlb: Refactor code around vmemmap_walk Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-22 8:08 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 09/14] mm/hugetlb: Remove fake head pages Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-22 7:00 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-27 14:51 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-28 2:43 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-28 12:59 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-29 3:04 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 10/14] mm: Drop fake head checks Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 18:16 ` Zi Yan
2026-01-22 12:48 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 11/14] hugetlb: Remove VMEMMAP_SYNCHRONIZE_RCU Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 12/14] mm/hugetlb: Remove hugetlb_optimize_vmemmap_key static key Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 13/14] mm: Remove the branch from compound_head() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-21 18:21 ` Zi Yan
2026-01-21 16:22 ` [PATCHv4 14/14] hugetlb: Update vmemmap_dedup.rst Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-01-22 2:22 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-21 18:44 ` [PATCHv4 00/14] mm: Eliminate fake head pages from vmemmap optimization Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-21 20:31 ` Zi Yan
2026-01-22 11:21 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
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