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From: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, colin.king@canonical.com,
	raghu.prabhu13@gmail.com, jack@suse.cz, chris.mason@oracle.com,
	cl@linux.com, penberg@kernel.org, riel@redhat.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] mm: vmscan: If kswapd has been running too long, allow it to sleep
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:48:59 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTimHgtzAYQuEXEVc3-qsTyVCohFK6w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=5ON_ttuwFFhFObfoP8EBKPdFgAA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 05:58:59PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
>>> > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 02:04:00PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
>>> >> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:21 PM, James Bottomley
>>> >> <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>>> >> > On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 19:27 +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>>> >> >> (2011/05/13 23:03), Mel Gorman wrote:
>>> >> >> > Under constant allocation pressure, kswapd can be in the situation where
>>> >> >> > sleeping_prematurely() will always return true even if kswapd has been
>>> >> >> > running a long time. Check if kswapd needs to be scheduled.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Signed-off-by: Mel Gorman<mgorman@suse.de>
>>> >> >> > ---
>>> >> >> >   mm/vmscan.c |    4 ++++
>>> >> >> >   1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
>>> >> >> > index af24d1e..4d24828 100644
>>> >> >> > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
>>> >> >> > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
>>> >> >> > @@ -2251,6 +2251,10 @@ static bool sleeping_prematurely(pg_data_t *pgdat, int order, long remaining,
>>> >> >> >     unsigned long balanced = 0;
>>> >> >> >     bool all_zones_ok = true;
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > +   /* If kswapd has been running too long, just sleep */
>>> >> >> > +   if (need_resched())
>>> >> >> > +           return false;
>>> >> >> > +
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hmm... I don't like this patch so much. because this code does
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> - don't sleep if kswapd got context switch at shrink_inactive_list
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This isn't entirely true:  need_resched() will be false, so we'll follow
>>> >> > the normal path for determining whether to sleep or not, in effect
>>> >> > leaving the current behaviour unchanged.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> - sleep if kswapd didn't
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This also isn't entirely true: whether need_resched() is true at this
>>> >> > point depends on a whole lot more that whether we did a context switch
>>> >> > in shrink_inactive. It mostly depends on how long we've been running
>>> >> > without giving up the CPU.  Generally that will mean we've been round
>>> >> > the shrinker loop hundreds to thousands of times without sleeping.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> It seems to be semi random behavior.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Well, we have to do something.  Chris Mason first suspected the hang was
>>> >> > a kswapd rescheduling problem a while ago.  We tried putting
>>> >> > cond_rescheds() in several places in the vmscan code, but to no avail.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is it a result of  test with patch of Hannes(ie, !pgdat_balanced)?
>>> >>
>>> >> If it isn't, it would be nop regardless of putting cond_reshed at vmscan.c.
>>> >> Because, although we complete zone balancing, kswapd doesn't sleep as
>>> >> pgdat_balance returns wrong result. And at last VM calls
>>> >> balance_pgdat. In this case, balance_pgdat returns without any work as
>>> >> kswap couldn't find zones which have not enough free pages and goto
>>> >> out. kswapd could repeat this work infinitely. So you don't have a
>>> >> chance to call cond_resched.
>>> >>
>>> >> But if your test was with Hanne's patch, I am very curious how come
>>> >> kswapd consumes CPU a lot.
>>> >>
>>> >> > The need_resched() in sleeping_prematurely() seems to be about the best
>>> >> > option.  The other option might be just to put a cond_resched() in
>>> >> > kswapd_try_to_sleep(), but that will really have about the same effect.
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't oppose it but before that, I think we have to know why kswapd
>>> >> consumes CPU a lot although we applied Hannes' patch.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Because it's still possible for processes to allocate pages at the same
>>> > rate kswapd is freeing them leading to a situation where kswapd does not
>>> > consider the zone balanced for prolonged periods of time.
>>>
>>> We have cond_resched in shrink_page_list, shrink_slab and balance_pgdat.
>>> So I think kswapd can be scheduled out although it's scheduled in
>>> after a short time as task scheduled also need page reclaim. Although
>>> all task in system need reclaim, kswapd cpu 99% consumption is a
>>> natural result, I think.
>>> Do I miss something?
>>>
>>
>> Lets see;
>>
>> shrink_page_list() only applies if inactive pages were isolated
>>        which in turn may not happen if all_unreclaimable is set in
>>        shrink_zones(). If for whatver reason, all_unreclaimable is
>>        set on all zones, we can miss calling cond_resched().
>>
>> shrink_slab only applies if we are reclaiming slab pages. If the first
>>        shrinker returns -1, we do not call cond_resched(). If that
>>        first shrinker is dcache and __GFP_FS is not set, direct
>>        reclaimers will not shrink at all. However, if there are
>>        enough of them running or if one of the other shrinkers
>>        is running for a very long time, kswapd could be starved
>>        acquiring the shrinker_rwsem and never reaching the
>>        cond_resched().
>
> Don't we have to move cond_resched?
>
> diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> index 292582c..633e761 100644
> --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> @@ -231,8 +231,10 @@ unsigned long shrink_slab(struct shrink_control *shrink,
>        if (scanned == 0)
>                scanned = SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX;
>
> -       if (!down_read_trylock(&shrinker_rwsem))
> -               return 1;       /* Assume we'll be able to shrink next time */
> +       if (!down_read_trylock(&shrinker_rwsem)) {
> +               ret = 1;
> +               goto out; /* Assume we'll be able to shrink next time */
> +       }
>
>        list_for_each_entry(shrinker, &shrinker_list, list) {
>                unsigned long long delta;
> @@ -280,12 +282,14 @@ unsigned long shrink_slab(struct shrink_control *shrink,
>                        count_vm_events(SLABS_SCANNED, this_scan);
>                        total_scan -= this_scan;
>
> -                       cond_resched();
>                }
>
>                shrinker->nr += total_scan;
> +               cond_resched();
>        }
>        up_read(&shrinker_rwsem);
> +out:
> +       cond_resched();
>        return ret;
>  }
>
>
>>
>> balance_pgdat() only calls cond_resched if the zones are not
>>        balanced. For a high-order allocation that is balanced, it
>>        checks order-0 again. During that window, order-0 might have
>>        become unbalanced so it loops again for order-0 and returns
>>        that was reclaiming for order-0 to kswapd(). It can then find
>>        that a caller has rewoken kswapd for a high-order and re-enters
>>        balance_pgdat() without ever have called cond_resched().
>
> If kswapd reclaims order-o followed by high order, it would have a
> chance to call cond_resched in shrink_page_list. But if all zones are
> all_unreclaimable is set, balance_pgdat could return any work.

    Typo : without any work.

-- 
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-17  0:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-13 14:03 [PATCH 0/4] Reduce impact to overall system of SLUB using high-order allocations V2 Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm: vmscan: Correct use of pgdat_balanced in sleeping_prematurely Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:28   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-14 16:30   ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16 14:30   ` Rik van Riel
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm: slub: Do not wake kswapd for SLUBs speculative high-order allocations Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 21:10   ` David Rientjes
2011-05-18  6:09     ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-18 17:21       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: slub: Do not take expensive steps " Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 21:16   ` David Rientjes
2011-05-17  8:42     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 13:51       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-17 16:22         ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 17:52           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-17 19:35             ` David Rientjes
2011-05-17 19:31       ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: vmscan: If kswapd has been running too long, allow it to sleep Mel Gorman
2011-05-15 10:27   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-16  4:21     ` James Bottomley
2011-05-16  5:04       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16  8:45         ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16  8:58           ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16 10:27             ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 23:50               ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-17  0:48                 ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2011-05-17 10:38                 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 13:50                   ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-17 16:15                     ` [PATCH] mm: vmscan: Correctly check if reclaimer should schedule during shrink_slab Mel Gorman
2011-05-18  0:45                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-19  0:03                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-19  0:09                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-19 11:36                         ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-20  0:06                           ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18  4:19                     ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: vmscan: If kswapd has been running too long, allow it to sleep Minchan Kim
2011-05-18  7:39                       ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-18  4:09                   ` James Bottomley
2011-05-18  1:05                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  5:44                   ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18  6:05                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  9:58                     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-18 22:55                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18 23:54                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  0:26               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  9:57                 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16  8:45     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 14:30   ` Rik van Riel
2011-05-13 15:19 ` [PATCH 0/4] Reduce impact to overall system of SLUB using high-order allocations V2 James Bottomley
2011-05-13 15:52   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 15:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-13 15:43   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-14  8:34 ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-16  8:37   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 11:24     ` Colin Ian King

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