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From: Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>
To: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>, Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	kernel-team@meta.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>,
	Frank van der Linden <fvdl@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 02/14] mm/sparse: Check memmap alignment
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 22:59:54 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B6BBCEAD-82A9-4FDD-BF19-0D54BB6D6A8C@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mqvgofzudkucibhyr7gsjgtb47rjibqkqce3wdd62p6kqzosxb@tv4fkzewgkt2>



> On Dec 22, 2025, at 22:52, Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2025 at 03:18:29PM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Red Hat) wrote:
>>> On 12/22/25 15:02, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2025 at 04:34:40PM +0800, Muchun Song wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2025/12/18 23:09, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
>>>>> The upcoming changes in compound_head() require memmap to be naturally
>>>>> aligned to the maximum folio size.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Add a warning if it is not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A warning is sufficient as MAX_FOLIO_ORDER is very rarely used, so the
>>>>> kernel is still likely to be functional if this strict check fails.
>>>> 
>>>> Different architectures default to 2 MB alignment (mainly to
>>>> enable huge mappings), which only accommodates folios up to
>>>> 128 MB. Yet 1 GB huge pages are still fairly common, so
>>>> validating 16 GB (MAX_FOLIO_SIZE) alignment seems likely to
>>>> miss the most frequent case.
>>> 
>>> I don't follow. 16 GB check is more strict that anything smaller.
>>> How can it miss the most frequent case?
>>> 
>>>> I’m concerned that this might plant a hidden time bomb: it
>>>> could detonate at any moment in later code, silently triggering
>>>> memory corruption or similar failures. Therefore, I don’t
>>>> think a WARNING is a good choice.
>>> 
>>> We can upgrade it BUG_ON(), but I want to understand your logic here
>>> first.
>> 
>> Definitely no BUG_ON(). I would assume this is something we would find early
>> during testing, so even a VM_WARN_ON_ONCE() should be good enough?
>> 
>> This smells like a possible problem, though, as soon as some architecture
>> wants to increase the folio size. What would be the expected step to ensure
>> the alignment is done properly?
> 
> It depends on memory model and whether the arch has KASLR for memmap.

Yes. Theoretically, the most correct approach is
to ensure that the randomly chosen offset at the
KASLR relocation site meets alignment
requirements, and it likely needs to be adapted
for each architecture—sounds rather tedious.

> 
>> But OTOH, as I raised Willy's work will make all of that here obsolete
>> either way, so maybe not worth worrying about that case too much,
> 
> Willy, what is timeline here?
> 
> --
>  Kiryl Shutsemau / Kirill A. Shutemov


  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-22 15:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-18 15:09 [PATCHv2 00/14] Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 01/14] mm: Move MAX_FOLIO_ORDER definition to mmzone.h Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 02/14] mm/sparse: Check memmap alignment Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  8:34   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22 14:02     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22 14:18       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-22 14:52         ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22 14:59           ` Muchun Song [this message]
2025-12-22 14:55         ` Muchun Song
2025-12-23  9:38           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-23 11:26             ` Muchun Song
2025-12-24 14:13             ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22 14:49       ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 03/14] mm: Change the interface of prep_compound_tail() Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  2:55   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 04/14] mm: Rename the 'compound_head' field in the 'struct page' to 'compound_info' Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  3:00   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 05/14] mm: Move set/clear_compound_head() next to compound_head() Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  3:06   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 06/14] mm: Rework compound_head() for power-of-2 sizeof(struct page) Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  3:20   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22 14:03     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-23  8:37       ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22  7:57   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22  9:45     ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22 14:49       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 07/14] mm: Make page_zonenum() use head page Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 08/14] mm/hugetlb: Refactor code around vmemmap_walk Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  5:54   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-22 15:00     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22 15:11       ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 09/14] mm/hugetlb: Remove fake head pages Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 10/14] mm: Drop fake head checks Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  5:56   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 11/14] hugetlb: Remove VMEMMAP_SYNCHRONIZE_RCU Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  6:00   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 12/14] mm/hugetlb: Remove hugetlb_optimize_vmemmap_key static key Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  6:03   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 13/14] mm: Remove the branch from compound_head() Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  6:30   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 14/14] hugetlb: Update vmemmap_dedup.rst Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-12-22  6:20   ` Muchun Song
2025-12-18 22:18 ` [PATCHv2 00/14] Eliminate fake head pages from vmemmap optimization Kiryl Shutsemau

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