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From: Hiroyuki Kamezawa <kamezawa.hiroyuki@gmail.com>
To: Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"rientjes@google.com" <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] forkbomb killer
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:48:45 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ng9vwoMJ=tseWwTsXMf9XZkMKUexcpEmQ45M_@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110326023452.GA8140@google.com>

2011/3/26 Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 01:05:50PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
>> Okay. Each approach has a pros and cons and at least, now anyone
>> doesn't provide any method and comments but I agree it is needed(ex,
>> careless and lazy admin could need it strongly). Let us wait a little
>> bit more. Maybe google guys or redhat/suse guys would have a opinion.
>
> I haven't heard of fork bombs being an issue for us (and it's not been
> for me on my desktop, either).
>
> Also, I want to point out that there is a classical userspace solution
> for this, as implemented by killall5 for example. One can do
> kill(-1, SIGSTOP) to stop all processes that they can send
> signals to (except for init and itself). Target processes
> can never catch or ignore the SIGSTOP. This stops the fork bomb
> from causing further damage. Then, one can look at the process
> tree and do whatever is appropriate - including killing by uid,
> by cgroup or whatever policies one wants to implement in userspace.
> Finally, the remaining processes can be restarted using SIGCONT.
>

Can that solution work even under OOM situation without new login/commands ?
Please show us your solution, how to avoid Andrey's Bomb  with your way.
Then, we can add Documentation, at least. Or you can show us your tool.

Maybe it is....
- running as a daemon. (because it has to lock its work memory before OOM.)
- mlockall its own memory to work under OOM.
- It can show process tree of users/admin or do all in automatic way
with user's policy.
- tell us which process is guilty.
- wakes up automatically when OOM happens.....IOW, OOM should have some notifier
  to userland.
- never allocate any memory at running. (maybe it can't use libc.)
- never be blocked by any locks, for example, some other task's mmap_sem.
  One of typical mistakes of admins at OOM is typing 'ps' to see what
happens.....
- Can be used even with GUI system, which can't show console.

Thanks,
-Kame

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-26  8:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-24  9:22 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-24  9:25 ` [PATCH 1/5] forkbomb killer config and documentation KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-24  9:26 ` [PATCH 2/5] forkbomb: mm tracking subsystem KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-24  9:28 ` [PATCH 3/5] forkbomb : mm histroy scanning and locks KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-24  9:29 ` [PATCH 4/5] forkbomb : periodic flushing mm history information KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-24  9:30 ` [PATCH 5/5] forkbomb killer KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-24 10:52 ` [PATCH 0/4] " Minchan Kim
2011-03-25  0:04   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-25  2:38     ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-25  2:54       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-25  4:05         ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-25 13:45           ` Colin Walters
2011-03-26  0:04             ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-03-26  2:34           ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-03-26  8:48             ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa [this message]
2011-03-28 16:21               ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-28 23:50                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-29  0:24                   ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-29  0:32                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-29  1:12                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-03-29  1:12                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-03-29  1:27                           ` Minchan Kim
2011-04-14  0:20                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-14  0:35                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-14  0:57                                 ` Minchan Kim
2011-04-14 18:13                                   ` David Rientjes
2011-03-28 23:46               ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-03-29  0:25                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki

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