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I would expect most/all users >>>> to simply keep using -e / -d. >>>> >>>> Sure, there might be some corner cases, but I would assume most people to >>>> not want to care about memmap-on-memory with the new model. >>> >>> I believe this remains very beneficial for customers in the following >>> scenario: >>> >>> 1) Initial memory layout: >>> 4 GB configured online >>> 512 GB standby >>> >>> If memory_hotplug.memmap_on_memory=Y is set in the kernel command line: >>> Suppose user requires more memory and onlines 256 GB. With memmap-on-memory >>> enabled, this likely succeeds by default. >>> >>> Later, the user needs 256 GB of contiguous physical memory across memory >>> blocks. Then, the user can still configure those memory blocks with >>> memmap-on-memory disabled and online it. >>> >>> 2) If the administrator forgets to configure >>> memory_hotplug.memmap_on_memory=Y, the following steps can be taken: >>> Rescue from OOM situations: configure with memmap-on-memory enabled, online it. >> >> That's my point: I don't consider either very likely to be used by actual >> admins. >> >> I guess in (1) it really only is a problem with very big memory blocks. >> Assuming a memory block is just 128 MiB (or even 1 GiB), you can add+online >> them individually. Once you succeeded with the first one (very likely), the >> other ones will follow. >> >> Sure, if you are so low on memory that you cannot even a single memory >> block, then memmap-on-memory makes sense. >> >> But note that memmap-on-memory was added to handle hotplug of large chunks >> of memory (large DIMM/NVDIMM, large CXL device) in one go, without the >> chance to add+online individual memory blocks incrementally. > > Interesting. Thanks David. > > Heiko suggested that memory increment size could also be upto > 64GB. In that case, it might be useful. Yeha, rings a bell. But that would not be your 4GiB scenario you shared :) -- Cheers David / dhildenb