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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 6/7] mseal, system mappings: uprobe mapping
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 05:57:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9eed1285-3876-4f64-a079-61a72f6349fa@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABi2SkVRG8-j7T30tFQySOU9G8Lvyxqf_aRTrE2KXhj9GeBOkw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 04:06:37PM -0800, Jeff Xu wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 10:24 PM Lorenzo Stoakes
> <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 10:52:45PM +0000, jeffxu@chromium.org wrote:
> > > From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
> > >
> > > Provide support to mseal the uprobe mapping.
> > >
> > > Unlike other system mappings, the uprobe mapping is not
> > > established during program startup. However, its lifetime is the same
> > > as the process's lifetime. It could be sealed from creation.
> > >
> >
> > I thought we agreed not to enable this for now? What testing
> > have you done to ensure this is functional?
> >
> I honestly don't know much about uprobe. I don't recall that I agree
> to ignore that though.

OK sorry I realise you have done this from an early version of the series,
my mistake! Apologies.

I'm concerned you don't feel you know much about uprobe, but I guess you
defer to Oleg's views here?

If he's confirmed this is ok, then fine.

>
> As indicated in the cover letter, it is my understanding that uprobe's
> mapping's lifetime are the same as process's lifetime, thus sealable.

> [1]
> Oleg Nesterov, also cc, seems OK with mseal it in the early version of
> this patch [2]
>
> Are there any potential downsides of doing this? If yes, I can remove it.
>
> I'm also looking at Oleg to give more guidance on this :-), or if
> there are some functional tests that I need to do for uprobe.

Yeah, apologies, my mistake I forgot that this was from early, I thought it
was scope creep... but I double-checked and yeah, no haha.

>
>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20241005200741.GA24353@redhat.com/
> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20241005200741.GA24353@redhat.com/
>
> > I mean is this literally _all_ uprobe mappings now being sealed?
> >
> > I'd really like some more assurances on this one. And what are you
> > mitigating by sealing these? I get VDSO (kinda) but uprobes?
> >
> > You really need to provide more justification here.
>
> Sure. In our threat model, we need to seal all r-x, r--, and --x
> mappings to prevent them from becoming writable. This applies to all
> mappings, regardless of whether they're created by the kernel or
> dynamic linker.

All mappings? :P I mean I guess you mean somehow, all 'system' mappings
right?

I guess you mean that somehow some malicious user could manipulate these
mappings from a sandbox or such using a series of exploits that are maybe
more achievable that arbitrary code execution (rop with syscalls or sth? I
am not a security person - obviously! :)

And then un-sandboxed code could innocently touch and bang.

I mean that to me makes sense and cool, we're good. Something like this in
the doc, just a brief sentence like this for idiots (or perhaps you might
say, idiots when it comes to security :) like me would be great, thanks!

>
>
> > > Signed-off-by: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
> > > ---
> > >  kernel/events/uprobes.c | 5 ++++-
> > >  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/kernel/events/uprobes.c b/kernel/events/uprobes.c
> > > index 2ca797cbe465..8dcdfa0d306b 100644
> > > --- a/kernel/events/uprobes.c
> > > +++ b/kernel/events/uprobes.c
> > > @@ -1662,6 +1662,7 @@ static const struct vm_special_mapping xol_mapping = {
> > >  static int xol_add_vma(struct mm_struct *mm, struct xol_area *area)
> > >  {
> > >       struct vm_area_struct *vma;
> > > +     unsigned long vm_flags;
> > >       int ret;
> > >
> > >       if (mmap_write_lock_killable(mm))
> > > @@ -1682,8 +1683,10 @@ static int xol_add_vma(struct mm_struct *mm, struct xol_area *area)
> > >               }
> > >       }
> > >
> > > +     vm_flags = VM_EXEC|VM_MAYEXEC|VM_DONTCOPY|VM_IO;
> > > +     vm_flags |= VM_SEALED_SYSMAP;
> > >       vma = _install_special_mapping(mm, area->vaddr, PAGE_SIZE,
> > > -                             VM_EXEC|VM_MAYEXEC|VM_DONTCOPY|VM_IO,
> > > +                             vm_flags,
> > >                               &xol_mapping);
> > >       if (IS_ERR(vma)) {
> > >               ret = PTR_ERR(vma);
> > > --
> > > 2.48.1.658.g4767266eb4-goog
> > >


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-26  5:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-24 22:52 [PATCH v7 0/7] mseal system mappings jeffxu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  1:33     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  6:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28  0:04         ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:32           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 15:22   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-25 15:37     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:04     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] selftests: x86: test_mremap_vdso: skip if vdso is msealed jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:15   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 22:37     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:58       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] mseal, system mappings: enable x86-64 jeffxu
2025-02-25  1:03   ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26  0:21     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25  8:08   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-26  0:48     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  7:35       ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-27 21:44         ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] mseal, system mappings: enable arm64 jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:20   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 22:26     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:25       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 17:11         ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-26 17:17           ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 17:43             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:14               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28  0:48               ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:31                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] mseal, system mappings: enable uml architecture jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25  8:45     ` Berg, Benjamin
2025-02-25 10:37       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 12:24         ` Benjamin Berg
2025-02-25 13:41           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 13:59             ` Johannes Berg
2025-02-25 15:06         ` Kees Cook
2025-02-25 15:31           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 18:38             ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26  0:00               ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] mseal, system mappings: uprobe mapping jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:24   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:06     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:57       ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-02-26 16:26   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 16:33     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 16:45     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:01       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 18:06         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:19           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-26 18:20           ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 18:25             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 23:38               ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:39                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 21:48             ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] mseal, system mappings: update mseal.rst jeffxu
2025-02-24 23:03 ` [PATCH v7 0/7] mseal system mappings Pedro Falcato
2025-02-24 23:07   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25  6:09     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:17   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  6:00     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 23:43       ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:32         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 15:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:12   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:42     ` your mail Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28  0:55       ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28  9:35         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28 17:24           ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 17:30             ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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