From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 6/7] mseal, system mappings: uprobe mapping
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 05:57:50 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9eed1285-3876-4f64-a079-61a72f6349fa@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABi2SkVRG8-j7T30tFQySOU9G8Lvyxqf_aRTrE2KXhj9GeBOkw@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 04:06:37PM -0800, Jeff Xu wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 10:24 PM Lorenzo Stoakes
> <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 10:52:45PM +0000, jeffxu@chromium.org wrote:
> > > From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
> > >
> > > Provide support to mseal the uprobe mapping.
> > >
> > > Unlike other system mappings, the uprobe mapping is not
> > > established during program startup. However, its lifetime is the same
> > > as the process's lifetime. It could be sealed from creation.
> > >
> >
> > I thought we agreed not to enable this for now? What testing
> > have you done to ensure this is functional?
> >
> I honestly don't know much about uprobe. I don't recall that I agree
> to ignore that though.
OK sorry I realise you have done this from an early version of the series,
my mistake! Apologies.
I'm concerned you don't feel you know much about uprobe, but I guess you
defer to Oleg's views here?
If he's confirmed this is ok, then fine.
>
> As indicated in the cover letter, it is my understanding that uprobe's
> mapping's lifetime are the same as process's lifetime, thus sealable.
> [1]
> Oleg Nesterov, also cc, seems OK with mseal it in the early version of
> this patch [2]
>
> Are there any potential downsides of doing this? If yes, I can remove it.
>
> I'm also looking at Oleg to give more guidance on this :-), or if
> there are some functional tests that I need to do for uprobe.
Yeah, apologies, my mistake I forgot that this was from early, I thought it
was scope creep... but I double-checked and yeah, no haha.
>
>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20241005200741.GA24353@redhat.com/
> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20241005200741.GA24353@redhat.com/
>
> > I mean is this literally _all_ uprobe mappings now being sealed?
> >
> > I'd really like some more assurances on this one. And what are you
> > mitigating by sealing these? I get VDSO (kinda) but uprobes?
> >
> > You really need to provide more justification here.
>
> Sure. In our threat model, we need to seal all r-x, r--, and --x
> mappings to prevent them from becoming writable. This applies to all
> mappings, regardless of whether they're created by the kernel or
> dynamic linker.
All mappings? :P I mean I guess you mean somehow, all 'system' mappings
right?
I guess you mean that somehow some malicious user could manipulate these
mappings from a sandbox or such using a series of exploits that are maybe
more achievable that arbitrary code execution (rop with syscalls or sth? I
am not a security person - obviously! :)
And then un-sandboxed code could innocently touch and bang.
I mean that to me makes sense and cool, we're good. Something like this in
the doc, just a brief sentence like this for idiots (or perhaps you might
say, idiots when it comes to security :) like me would be great, thanks!
>
>
> > > Signed-off-by: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
> > > ---
> > > kernel/events/uprobes.c | 5 ++++-
> > > 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/kernel/events/uprobes.c b/kernel/events/uprobes.c
> > > index 2ca797cbe465..8dcdfa0d306b 100644
> > > --- a/kernel/events/uprobes.c
> > > +++ b/kernel/events/uprobes.c
> > > @@ -1662,6 +1662,7 @@ static const struct vm_special_mapping xol_mapping = {
> > > static int xol_add_vma(struct mm_struct *mm, struct xol_area *area)
> > > {
> > > struct vm_area_struct *vma;
> > > + unsigned long vm_flags;
> > > int ret;
> > >
> > > if (mmap_write_lock_killable(mm))
> > > @@ -1682,8 +1683,10 @@ static int xol_add_vma(struct mm_struct *mm, struct xol_area *area)
> > > }
> > > }
> > >
> > > + vm_flags = VM_EXEC|VM_MAYEXEC|VM_DONTCOPY|VM_IO;
> > > + vm_flags |= VM_SEALED_SYSMAP;
> > > vma = _install_special_mapping(mm, area->vaddr, PAGE_SIZE,
> > > - VM_EXEC|VM_MAYEXEC|VM_DONTCOPY|VM_IO,
> > > + vm_flags,
> > > &xol_mapping);
> > > if (IS_ERR(vma)) {
> > > ret = PTR_ERR(vma);
> > > --
> > > 2.48.1.658.g4767266eb4-goog
> > >
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-26 5:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-24 22:52 [PATCH v7 0/7] mseal system mappings jeffxu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change jeffxu
2025-02-25 6:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 1:33 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 6:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28 0:04 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 15:22 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-25 15:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 0:04 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] selftests: x86: test_mremap_vdso: skip if vdso is msealed jeffxu
2025-02-25 6:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 22:37 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 5:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] mseal, system mappings: enable x86-64 jeffxu
2025-02-25 1:03 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 0:21 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25 8:08 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-26 0:48 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 7:35 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-27 21:44 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] mseal, system mappings: enable arm64 jeffxu
2025-02-25 6:20 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 22:26 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 5:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 17:11 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-26 17:17 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 17:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28 0:48 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] mseal, system mappings: enable uml architecture jeffxu
2025-02-25 6:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 8:45 ` Berg, Benjamin
2025-02-25 10:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 12:24 ` Benjamin Berg
2025-02-25 13:41 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 13:59 ` Johannes Berg
2025-02-25 15:06 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-25 15:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 18:38 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 0:00 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] mseal, system mappings: uprobe mapping jeffxu
2025-02-25 6:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 0:06 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 5:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-02-26 16:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 16:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 16:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:01 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 18:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:19 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-26 18:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 18:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 23:38 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 21:48 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] mseal, system mappings: update mseal.rst jeffxu
2025-02-24 23:03 ` [PATCH v7 0/7] mseal system mappings Pedro Falcato
2025-02-24 23:07 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25 6:09 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 0:17 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 6:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 23:43 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 15:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 0:12 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 5:42 ` your mail Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28 0:55 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 9:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28 17:24 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 17:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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