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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	oliver.sang@intel.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: avoid use of BIT() macro for initialising VMA flags
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2025 15:03:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9cd62896-f259-45ce-9165-63b74f7c1f6a@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGudoHHFeuEQ0kBYfrYuUPxNQdw4YHNG81JiHPFHq0evUcEczw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 12, 2025 at 01:24:57PM +0100, Mateusz Guzik wrote:
> So I had a look where the timing difference is coming from and I think
> I have the answer: init_ipc_ns does not have a guaranteed cacheline
> placement and things get moved around with the patch.
>
> On my kernels (nm vmlinux-newbits | sort -nk 1 | less)
>
> before:
> ffffffff839ffb60 T init_ipc_ns
> ffffffff83a00020 t event_exit__msgrcv
>
> after:
> ffffffff839ffbc0 T init_ipc_ns
> ffffffff83a00080 t event_exit__msgrcv
>
> This is the pervasive problem of vars from all .o files placed
> adjacent to each other, meaning changes in one .o file result in
> offsets changing in other files and then you get performance
> fluctuations as not-explicitly-padded variables share (or no longer
> share) cachelines.
>
> I brought this up a year ago elsewhere:
> https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2024-October/245004.html
>
> maybe i should pick it up again and see it through
>
> as for the thing at hand, someone(tm) will want to make sure the
> namespace is cacheline aligned and possibly pad its own internals
> afterwards. Personally I can't be bothered.

Thanks! Looking it seems we accumulate a bunch of offsets in:

	print_fmt_dax_pte_fault_class
	print_fmt_dax_pmd_load_hole_class
	print_fmt_dax_pmd_fault_class

(entries that the bloat-o-meter confirms changed in size)

That continue on to eventually offset init_ipc_ns.

It actually looked in my testing like performance _improved_ with the change,
and I notice locally I end up aligned on the struct:

ffffffff82be16a0 T init_ipc_ns

->

ffffffff82be1700 T init_ipc_ns

Examining stress-ng before 2b6a3f061f11:

Command is:
$ stress-ng --timeout 60 --times --verify --metrics --no-rand-seed --msg $(nproc)

Results:

stress-ng: metrc: [1662] stressor       bogo ops real time  usr time  sys time   bogo ops/s     bogo ops/s CPU used per       RSS Max

stress-ng: metrc: [776] msg           964459758     60.00    154.63    632.77  16073484.12     1224879.38        21.17          2132

After 2b6a3f061f11:

stress-ng: metrc: [782] msg           1326214608     60.00    194.19    713.34  22102974.72     1461348.11        24.40          2140

And if I simply do:

 ipc/msgutil.c | 2 +-
 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/ipc/msgutil.c b/ipc/msgutil.c
index 7a03f6d03de3..df0d7a067bcf 100644
--- a/ipc/msgutil.c
+++ b/ipc/msgutil.c
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@ DEFINE_SPINLOCK(mq_lock);
  * compiled when either CONFIG_SYSVIPC and CONFIG_POSIX_MQUEUE
  * and not CONFIG_IPC_NS.
  */
-struct ipc_namespace init_ipc_ns = {
+struct ipc_namespace init_ipc_ns ____cacheline_aligned_in_smp = {
 	.ns.__ns_ref = REFCOUNT_INIT(1),
 	.user_ns = &init_user_ns,
 	.ns.inum = ns_init_inum(&init_ipc_ns),
--
2.52.0

We observe:

stress-ng: metrc: [764] msg           1321700290     60.00    196.73    723.82  22028700.93     1435779.72        24.75          2116 aligned

So this really _does_ look like an alignment issue.

So I think I should just submit the above patch right? Can you see how it behaves for you?

Cheers, Lorenzo


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-12-12 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-05 17:50 Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-12-05 17:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-12-05 18:43 ` David Laight
2025-12-05 19:18   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-12-05 21:34     ` David Laight
2025-12-06 16:43       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-12-08 16:42         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-12-08 18:57           ` David Laight
2025-12-09  8:28           ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-12-09  9:26             ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-12-10 16:18               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-12-10 22:44                 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-12-12 12:24               ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-12-12 13:02                 ` David Laight
2025-12-12 13:13                   ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-12-12 15:03                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-12-12 17:26                   ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-12-05 21:49     ` David Laight
2025-12-06 16:47       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-12-05 19:56 ` John Hubbard
2025-12-06 16:42   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-12-05 20:15 ` Andrew Morton
2025-12-05 20:18   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-06  0:40   ` Stephen Rothwell
2025-12-06  3:12     ` Andrew Morton
2025-12-06 16:35       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-12-06  1:14 ` Al Viro
2025-12-06  1:26   ` Al Viro
2025-12-06 12:35     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-12-06 16:34       ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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