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Great :) > > Specifically for the usage of kvm_mem_is_private() in > kvm_mmu_max_mapping_level(), the intention there is probably to skip > querying userspace page tables in __kvm_mmu_max_mapping_level() since > private memory will never be faulted into userspace, hence no need to > check. > > Hence kvm_mem_is_private() there is really meant to query the > private-ness of the gfn rather than just whether kvm_mem_from_gmem(). > > But then again, if kvm_mem_from_gmem(), guest_memfd should be queried > for max_mapping_level. guest_memfd would know, for both private and > shared memory, what page size the page was split to, and what level > it was faulted as. (Exception: if/when guest_memfd supports THP, > depending on how that is done, querying userspace page tables might be > necessary to determine the max_mapping_level) Okay, so I assume my intuition was right: if we know we can go via the guest_memfd also for !private memory, then probably no need to consult the page tables. Let's discuss that tomorrow in the meeting. > >>> >>> A. this specific gfn is backed by gmem, or >>> B. if the specific gfn is private? >>> >>> I noticed some other places where kvm_mem_is_private() is left as-is >>> [2], is that intentional? Are you not just renaming but splitting out >>> the case two cases A and B? >> >> That was the idea, yes. >> >> If we get a private fault and !kvm_mem_is_private(), or a shared fault and >> kvm_mem_is_private(), then we should handle it like today. >> >> That is the kvm_mmu_faultin_pfn() case, where we >> >> if (fault->is_private != kvm_mem_is_private(kvm, fault->gfn)) { >> kvm_mmu_prepare_memory_fault_exit(vcpu, fault); >> return -EFAULT; >> } >> >> which can be reached by arch/x86/kvm/svm/svm.c:npf_interception() >> >> if (sev_snp_guest(vcpu->kvm) && (error_code & PFERR_GUEST_ENC_MASK)) >> error_code |= PFERR_PRIVATE_ACCESS; >> >> In summary: the memory attribute mismatch will be handled as is, but not how >> we obtain the gfn. >> >> At least that was the idea (-issues in the commit). >> >> What are your thoughts about that direction? > > I still like the renaming. :) > > I looked into kvm_mem_is_private() and I believe it has the following > uses: > > 1. Determining max_mapping_level (kvm_mmu_max_mapping_level() and > friends) > 2. Querying the kernel's record of private/shared state, which is used > to handle (a) mismatch between fault->private and kernel's record > (handling implicit conversions) (b) how to prefaulting pages (c) > determining how to fault in KVM_X86_SW_PROTECTED_VMs > > So perhaps we could leave kvm_mem_is_private() as not renamed, but as > part of the series introducing mmap and conversions > (CONFIG_KVM_GMEM_SHARED_MEM), we should also have kvm_mem_is_private() > query guest_memfd for shareability status, and perhaps > kvm_mmu_max_mapping_level() could query guest_memfd for page size (after > splitting, etc). > Right, that's why I opted to leave kvm_mem_is_private() here and really only indicate if memory is *actually* private. > IIUC the maximum mapping level is determined by these factors: > > 1. Attribute granularity (lpage_info) > 2. Page size (guest_memfd for guest_memfd backed memory) > 3. Size of mapping in host page table (for non-guest_memfd backed > memory, and important for THP if/when/depending on how guest_memfd > supports THP) Right, once private+shared will come from guest_memfd, then likely 3 does not apply anymore. See my reply to Patrick regarding that. Thanks! -- Cheers, David / dhildenb