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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	"Balbir Singh" <balbirs@nvidia.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/5] mm/zone_device: Reinitialize large zone device private folios
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2026 09:00:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9077ab5b-f2c8-4c8d-8441-631e7c2cf384@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aXHPkQfwhMHU/oP6@lstrano-desk.jf.intel.com>

On 1/22/26 08:19, Matthew Brost wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 10:01:18PM -0500, Zi Yan wrote:
>> On 20 Jan 2026, at 8:53, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>> 
> 
> This whole thread makes my head hurt, as does core MM.
> 
> IMO the TL;DR is:
> 
> - Why is Intel the only one proving this stuff works? We can debate all
>   day about what should or should not work — but someone else needs to
>   actually prove it.i, rather than type hypotheticals.
> 
> - Intel has demonstrated that this works and is still getting blocked.
> 
> - This entire thread is about a fixes patch for large device pages.
>   Changing prep_compound_page is completely out of scope for a fixes
>   patch, and honestly so is most of the rest of what’s being proposed.

FWIW I'm ok if this lands as a fix patch, and perceived the discussion to be
about how refactor things more properly afterwards, going forward.

> - At a minimum, you must clear every page’s flags in the loop. So why not
>   conservatively clear anything else a folio might have set before calling
>   an existing core-MM function, ensuring the pages are in a known state?
>   This is a fixes patch.
> 
> - Given the current state of the discussion, I don’t think large device
>   pages should be in 6.19. And if so, why didn’t the entire device pages
>   series receive this level of scrutiny earlier? It’s my mistake for not
>   saying “no” until the reallocation at different sizes issue was resolved.
> 
> @Andrew. - I'd revert large device pages in 6.19 as it doesn't work and
> we seemly cannot close on this.
> 
> Matt
> 
>> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2026 at 09:50:16PM -0500, Zi Yan wrote:
>> >>>> I suppose we want some prep_single_page(page) and some reorg to share
>> >>>> code with the other prep function.
>> >>
>> >> This is just an unnecessary need due to lack of knowledge of/do not want
>> >> to investigate core MM page and folio initialization code.
>> >
>> > It will be better to keep this related code together, not spread all
>> > around.
>> 
>> Or clarify what code is for preparing pages, which would go away at memdesc
>> time, and what code is for preparing folios, which would stay.
>> 
>> >
>> >>>> I don't think so. It should do the above job efficiently and iterate
>> >>>> over the page list exactly once.
>> >>
>> >> folio initialization should not iterate over any page list, since folio is
>> >> supposed to be treated as a whole instead of individual pages.
>> >
>> > The tail pages need to have the right data in them or compound_head
>> > won't work.
>> 
>> That is done by set_compound_head() in prep_compound_tail().
>> prep_compound_page() take cares of it. As long as it is called, even if
>> the pages in that compound page have random states before, the compound
>> page should function correctly afterwards.
>> 
>> >
>> >> folio->mapping = NULL;
>> >> folio->memcg_data = 0;
>> >> folio->flags.f &= ~PAGE_FLAGS_CHECK_AT_PREP;
>> >>
>> >> should be enough.
>> >
>> > This seems believable to me for setting up an order 0 page.
>> 
>> It works for any folio, regardless of its order. fields used in second
>> or third subpages are all taken care of by prep_compound_page().
>> 
>> >
>> >> if (order)
>> >> 	folio_set_large_rmappable(folio);
>> >
>> > That one is in zone_device_folio_init()
>> 
>> Yes. And the code location looks right to me.
>> 
>> >
>> > And maybe the naming has got really confused if we have both functions
>> > now :\
>> 
>> Yes. One of the issues is that device private code used to only handles
>> order-0 pages and was converted to use high order folio directly without
>> using high order page (namely compound page) as an intermediate step.
>> This two-step-in-one caused confusion. But the key thing to avoid the
>> confusion is that to form a high order folio, a list of contiguous pages
>> would become a compound page by calling prep_compound_page(), then
>> the compound page becomes a folio by calling folio_set_large_rmappable().
>> 
>> BTW, the code in prep_compound_head() after folio_set_order(folio, order)
>> should belong to folio_set_large_rmappable() and they are causing confusion,
>> since they are only applicable to rmappable large folios. I am going to
>> send a patch to fix it.
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Yan, Zi



  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-22  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-16 11:10 [PATCH v6 0/5] Enable THP support in drm_pagemap Francois Dugast
2026-01-16 11:10 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] mm/zone_device: Reinitialize large zone device private folios Francois Dugast
2026-01-16 13:10   ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-16 16:07   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-16 17:20     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-16 17:27       ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-22  8:02     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-16 17:49   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-16 19:17     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-16 20:31       ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-17  0:51         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-17  3:55           ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-17  4:42             ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-17  5:27               ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-19  5:59                 ` Alistair Popple
2026-01-19 14:20                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-19 20:09                     ` Zi Yan
2026-01-19 20:35                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-19 22:15                         ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-20  2:50                           ` Zi Yan
2026-01-20 13:53                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-21  3:01                               ` Zi Yan
2026-01-22  7:19                                 ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-22  8:00                                   ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2026-01-22  9:10                                     ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-22 21:41                                       ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-22 22:53                                         ` Alistair Popple
2026-01-23  6:45                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-22 14:29                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-22 15:46                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-23  2:41                                   ` Zi Yan
2026-01-23 14:19                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-21  3:51                             ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-17  0:19       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-19  5:41         ` Alistair Popple
2026-01-19 14:24           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-16 22:34   ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-16 22:36     ` Matthew Brost
2026-01-16 11:10 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] drm/pagemap: Unlock and put folios when possible Francois Dugast
2026-01-16 11:10 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] drm/pagemap: Add helper to access zone_device_data Francois Dugast
2026-01-16 11:10 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] drm/pagemap: Correct cpages calculation for migrate_vma_setup Francois Dugast
2026-01-16 11:37   ` Balbir Singh
2026-01-16 12:02     ` Francois Dugast
2026-01-16 11:10 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] drm/pagemap: Enable THP support for GPU memory migration Francois Dugast

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