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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
	riel@surriel.com, ziy@nvidia.com, laoar.shao@gmail.com,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] prctl: introduce PR_THP_POLICY_DEFAULT_HUGE for the process
Date: Thu, 15 May 2025 19:08:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ea288f2-5196-41f9-bd65-e29f22bb29e8@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3a2a329d-2592-4e31-a763-d87dcd925966@redhat.com>

On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 06:11:55PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > > So if you're not overriding VM_NOHUGEPAGE, the whole point of this exercise
> > > > is to override global 'never'?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Again, I am not overriding never.
> > >
> > > hugepage_global_always and hugepage_global_enabled will evaluate to false
> > > and you will not get a hugepage.
> >
> > Yeah, again ack, but I kind of hate that we set VM_HUGEPAGE everywhere even
> > if the policy is never.
>
> I think it should behave just as if someone does manually an madvise(). So
> whatever we do here during an madvise, we should try to do the same thing
> here.

Ack I agree with this.

It actually simplifies things a LOT to view it this way - we're saying 'by
default apply madvise(...) to new VMAs'.

Hm I wonder if we could have a more generic version of this...

Note though that we're not _quite_ doing this.

So in hugepage_madvise():

int hugepage_madvise(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
		     unsigned long *vm_flags, int advice)
{
	...

	switch (advice) {
	case MADV_HUGEPAGE:
		*vm_flags &= ~VM_NOHUGEPAGE;
		*vm_flags |= VM_HUGEPAGE;

		...

		break;

		...
	}

	...
}

So here we're actually clearing VM_NOHUGEPAGE and overriding it, but in the
proposed code we're not.

So we're back into confusing territory again :)

I wonder if we could...

1. Add an MADV_xxx that mimics the desired behaviour here.

2. Add a generic 'madvise() by default' thing at a process level?

Is this crazy?

>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> David / dhildenb
>


  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-15 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-15 13:33 [PATCH 0/6] prctl: introduce PR_SET/GET_THP_POLICY Usama Arif
2025-05-15 13:33 ` [PATCH 1/6] prctl: introduce PR_THP_POLICY_DEFAULT_HUGE for the process Usama Arif
2025-05-15 14:40   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-15 14:44     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-15 14:56       ` Usama Arif
2025-05-15 14:58         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-15 15:18           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-15 15:45       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-05-15 15:57         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-15 16:38           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-15 17:29             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-15 18:09               ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-05-15 18:21                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-15 18:42                   ` Zi Yan
2025-05-15 21:04                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-15 18:46                   ` Usama Arif
2025-05-15 19:20                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-15 15:28     ` Usama Arif
2025-05-15 16:06       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-15 16:11         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-15 18:08           ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-05-15 19:12             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-15 20:35               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-16  7:45                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-16 10:57                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-16 11:24                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-16 12:57                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-16 17:19                         ` Usama Arif
2025-05-16 17:51                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-16 19:34                             ` Usama Arif
2025-05-17 16:20                         ` Is number of process_madvise()-able ranges limited to 8? (was Re: [PATCH 1/6] prctl: introduce PR_THP_POLICY_DEFAULT_HUGE for the process) SeongJae Park
2025-05-17 18:50                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-17 20:25                             ` SeongJae Park
2025-05-17 19:01                         ` [PATCH 1/6] prctl: introduce PR_THP_POLICY_DEFAULT_HUGE for the process Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-15 16:47         ` Usama Arif
2025-05-15 18:36           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-15 19:17             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-15 20:42               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-16  6:12   ` kernel test robot
2025-05-15 13:33 ` [PATCH 2/6] prctl: introduce PR_THP_POLICY_DEFAULT_NOHUGE " Usama Arif
2025-05-16  8:19   ` kernel test robot
2025-05-15 13:33 ` [PATCH 3/6] prctl: introduce PR_THP_POLICY_SYSTEM " Usama Arif
2025-05-15 13:33 ` [PATCH 4/6] selftests: prctl: introduce tests for PR_THP_POLICY_DEFAULT_NOHUGE Usama Arif
2025-05-15 13:33 ` [PATCH 5/6] selftests: prctl: introduce tests for PR_THP_POLICY_DEFAULT_HUGE Usama Arif
2025-05-15 13:33 ` [PATCH 6/6] docs: transhuge: document process level THP controls Usama Arif
2025-05-15 13:55 ` [PATCH 0/6] prctl: introduce PR_SET/GET_THP_POLICY Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-15 14:50   ` Usama Arif
2025-05-15 15:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-15 15:54       ` Usama Arif
2025-05-15 16:04         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-15 16:24         ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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