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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>, Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Vegard Nossum <vegard.nossum@oracle.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -v2 1/2] mm, swap: Use kvzalloc to allocate some swap data structure
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:15:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8d4c5c25-947a-e186-dbb8-1bbfb44f4fed@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1490374331.2733.130.camel@linux.intel.com>

On 03/24/2017 09:52 AM, Tim Chen wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-03-24 at 06:56 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> On 03/24/2017 12:33 AM, John Hubbard wrote:
>>>
>>> There might be some additional information you are using to come up with
>>> that conclusion, that is not obvious to me. Any thoughts there? These
>>> calls use the same underlying page allocator (and I thought that both
>>> were subject to the same constraints on defragmentation, as a result of
>>> that). So I am not seeing any way that kmalloc could possibly be a
>>> less-fragmenting call than vmalloc.
>> You guys are having quite a discussion over a very small point.
>>
>> But, Ying is right.
>>
>> Let's say we have a two-page data structure.  vmalloc() takes two
>> effectively random order-0 pages, probably from two different 2M pages
>> and pins them.  That "kills" two 2M pages.
>>
>> kmalloc(), allocating two *contiguous* pages, is very unlikely to cross
>> a 2M boundary (it theoretically could).  That means it will only "kill"
>> the possibility of a single 2M page.  More 2M pages == less fragmentation.
>
> In vmalloc, it eventually calls __vmalloc_area_node that allocates the
> page one at a time.  There's no attempt there to make the pages contiguous
> if I am reading the code correctly.  So that will increase the memory
> fragmentation as we will be piecing together pages from all over the places.
>
> Tim

OK. Thanks everyone for spelling it out for me, before I started doing larger projects, with an 
incorrect way of looking at the fragmentation behavior. :)

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thanks,
john h

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-24 18:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-20  8:47 Huang, Ying
2017-03-20  8:47 ` [PATCH -v2 2/2] mm, swap: Sort swap entries before free Huang, Ying
2017-03-20 21:32 ` [PATCH -v2 1/2] mm, swap: Use kvzalloc to allocate some swap data structure David Rientjes
2017-03-24  2:41   ` Huang, Ying
2017-03-24  4:27     ` John Hubbard
2017-03-24  4:52       ` Huang, Ying
2017-03-24  6:48         ` John Hubbard
2017-03-24  7:16           ` Huang, Ying
2017-03-24  7:33             ` John Hubbard
2017-03-24 13:56               ` Dave Hansen
2017-03-24 16:52                 ` Tim Chen
2017-03-24 18:15                   ` John Hubbard [this message]
2017-03-30 16:31                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-04-01  4:47                   ` Huang, Ying
2017-04-03  8:15                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-04-05  0:49                       ` Huang, Ying
2017-04-05 13:43                 ` Vlastimil Babka

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