From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, patches@lists.linux.dev,
tglx@linutronix.de, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Adhemerval Zanella Netto <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,
Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
David Hildenbrand <dhildenb@redhat.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v21 1/4] mm: add VM_DROPPABLE for designating always lazily freeable mappings
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 10:23:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8bf64731-9e5c-4c8c-b46b-5b18ae3110a1@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7439da2e-4a60-4643-9804-17e99ce6e312@redhat.com>
> As a side note, I'll raise that I am not a particular fan of the
> "droppable" terminology, at least with the "read 0s" approach.
>
> From a user perspective, the memory might suddenly lose its state and
> read as 0s just like volatile memory when it loses power. "dropping
> pages" sounds more like an implementation detail.
Just to raise why I consider "dropping" an implementation detail: in
combination with a previous idea I had of exposing "nonvolatile" memory
to VMs, the following might be interesting:
A hypervisor could expose special "nonvolatile memory" as separate guest
physical memory region to a VM.
We could use that special memory to back these MAP_XXX regions in our
guest, in addition to trying to make use of them in the guest kernel,
for example for something similar to cleancache.
Long story short: it's the hypervisor that could be effectively
dropping/zeroing out that memory, not the guest VM. "NONVOLATILE" might
be clearer than "DROPPABLE".
But again, naming is hard ... :)
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
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[not found] <20240707002658.1917440-1-Jason@zx2c4.com>
2024-07-07 0:26 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-07 7:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-07 18:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-07 18:52 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-07 19:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-07 21:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-08 0:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-08 8:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-08 8:23 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-07-08 13:57 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-08 20:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-08 13:55 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-08 14:40 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-08 20:21 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-08 20:26 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-09 2:17 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-10 3:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-10 3:34 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-10 3:53 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-08 20:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-08 13:50 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-08 1:59 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-08 1:46 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-08 20:24 ` David Hildenbrand
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