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From: Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>, <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	<corbet@lwn.net>, <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: <jthoughton@google.com>, <brijesh.singh@amd.com>,
	<michael.roth@amd.com>, <graf@amazon.de>, <jgowans@amazon.com>,
	<roypat@amazon.co.uk>, <derekmn@amazon.com>, <nsaenz@amazon.es>,
	<xmarcalx@amazon.com>, "Sean Christopherson" <seanjc@google.com>,
	<linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] KVM: ioctl for populating guest_memfd
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 16:46:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ac0e3e6-5af3-4841-b3ba-ab0458ab355b@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <74cbda4a-7820-45a9-a1b2-139da9dae593@redhat.com>



On 20/11/2024 18:29, David Hildenbrand wrote:
 > Any clue how your new ioctl will interact with the WIP to have shared
 > memory as part of guest_memfd? For example, could it be reasonable to
 > "populate" the shared memory first (via VMA) and then convert that
 > "allocated+filled" memory to private?

Patrick and I synced internally on this.  What may actually work for 
guest_memfd population is the following.

Non-CoCo use case:
  - fallocate syscall to fill the page cache, no page content 
initialisation (like it is now)
  - pwrite syscall to initialise the content + mark up-to-date (mark 
prepared), no specific preparation logic is required

The pwrite will have "once" semantics until a subsequent 
fallocate(FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE), ie the next pwrite call will "see" the 
page is already prepared and return EIO/ENOSPC or something.

SEV-SNP use case (no changes):
  - fallocate as above
  - KVM_SEV_SNP_LAUNCH_UPDATE to initialise/prepare

We don't think fallocate/pwrite have dependencies on current->mm 
assumptions that Paolo mentioned in [1], so they should be safe to be 
called on guest_memfd from a non-VMM process.

[1]: 
https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/20241024095429.54052-1-kalyazin@amazon.com/T/#m57498f8e2fde577ad1da948ec74dd2225cd2056c

 > Makes sense. Best we can do is:
 >
 > anon: work only on page tables
 > shmem/guest_memfd: work only on pageacache
 >
 > So at least "only one treelike structure to update".

This seems to hold with the above reasoning.

 > --
> Cheers,
> 
> David / dhildenb 



  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-21 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20241024095429.54052-1-kalyazin@amazon.com>
2024-11-20 12:09 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2024-11-20 13:46   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20 15:13     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20 15:58       ` Nikita Kalyazin
2024-11-20 16:20         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20 16:44           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20 17:21             ` Nikita Kalyazin
2024-11-20 18:29               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-21 16:46                 ` Nikita Kalyazin [this message]
2024-11-26 16:04                   ` Nikita Kalyazin
2024-11-28 12:11                     ` David Hildenbrand

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