From: hui.zhu@linux.dev
To: "Roman Gushchin" <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
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linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, "Hui Zhu" <zhuhui@kylinos.cn>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] Memory Controller eBPF support
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2025 09:29:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <895f996653b3385e72763d5b35ccd993b07c6125@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ldk1mmk3.fsf@linux.dev>
2025年11月20日 11:04, "Roman Gushchin" <roman.gushchin@linux.dev mailto:roman.gushchin@linux.dev?to=%22Roman%20Gushchin%22%20%3Croman.gushchin%40linux.dev%3E > 写到:
>
> Hui Zhu <hui.zhu@linux.dev> writes:
>
> >
> > From: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn>
> >
> > This series proposes adding eBPF support to the Linux memory
> > controller, enabling dynamic and extensible memory management
> > policies at runtime.
> >
> > Background
> >
> > The memory controller (memcg) currently provides fixed memory
> > accounting and reclamation policies through static kernel code.
> > This limits flexibility for specialized workloads and use cases
> > that require custom memory management strategies.
> >
> > By enabling eBPF programs to hook into key memory control
> > operations, administrators can implement custom policies without
> > recompiling the kernel, while maintaining the safety guarantees
> > provided by the BPF verifier.
> >
> > Use Cases
> >
> > 1. Custom memory reclamation strategies for specialized workloads
> > 2. Dynamic memory pressure monitoring and telemetry
> > 3. Memory accounting adjustments based on runtime conditions
> > 4. Integration with container orchestration systems for
> > intelligent resource management
> > 5. Research and experimentation with novel memory management
> > algorithms
> >
> > Design Overview
> >
> > This series introduces:
> >
> > 1. A new BPF struct ops type (`memcg_ops`) that allows eBPF
> > programs to implement custom behavior for memory charging
> > operations.
> >
> > 2. A hook point in the `try_charge_memcg()` fast path that
> > invokes registered eBPF programs to determine if custom
> > memory management should be applied.
> >
> > 3. The eBPF handler can inspect memory cgroup context and
> > optionally modify certain parameters (e.g., `nr_pages` for
> > reclamation size).
> >
> > 4. A reference counting mechanism using `percpu_ref` to safely
> > manage the lifecycle of registered eBPF struct ops instances.
> >
> Can you please describe how these hooks will be used in practice?
> What's the problem you can solve with it and can't without?
>
> I generally agree with an idea to use BPF for various memcg-related
> policies, but I'm not sure how specific callbacks can be used in
> practice.
Hi Roman,
Following are some ideas that can use ebpf memcg:
Priority‑Based Reclaim and Limits in Multi‑Tenant Environments:
On a single machine with multiple tenants / namespaces / containers,
under memory pressure it’s hard to decide “who should be squeezed first”
with static policies baked into the kernel.
Assign a BPF profile to each tenant’s memcg:
Under high global pressure, BPF can decide:
Which memcgs’ memory.high should be raised (delaying reclaim),
Which memcgs should be scanned and reclaimed more aggressively.
Online Profiling / Diagnosing Memory Hotspots:
A cgroup’s memory keeps growing, but without patching the kernel it’s
difficult to obtain fine‑grained information.
Attach BPF to the memcg charge/uncharge path:
Record large allocations (greater than N KB) with call stacks and
owning file/module, and send them to user space via a BPF ring buffer.
Based on sampled data, generate:
“Top N memory allocation stacks in this container over the last 10 minutes,”
Reports of which objects / call paths are growing fastest.
This makes it possible to pinpoint the root cause of host memory
anomalies without changing application code, which is very useful
in operations/ops scenarios.
SLO‑Driven Auto Throttling / Scale‑In/Out Signals:
Use eBPF to observe memory usage slope, frequent reclaim,
or near‑OOM behavior within a memcg.
When it decides “OOM is imminent,” instead of just killing/raising
limits, it can emit a signal to a control‑plane component.
For example, send an event to a user‑space agent to trigger
automatic scaling, QPS adjustment, or throttling.
Prevent a cgroup from launching a large‑scale fork+malloc attack:
BPF checks per‑uid or per‑cgroup allocation behavior over the
last few seconds during memcg charge.
And I maintain a software project, https://github.com/teawater/mem-agent,
for specialized memory management and related functions.
However, I found that implementing certain memory QoS categories
for memcg solely from user space is rather inefficient,
as it requires frequent access to values within memcg.
This is why I want memcg to support eBPF—so that I can place
custom memory management logic directly into the kernel using eBPF,
greatly improving efficiency.
Best,
Hui
>
> Thanks!
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-20 9:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-19 1:34 Hui Zhu
2025-11-19 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] memcg: add eBPF struct ops support for memory charging Hui Zhu
2025-11-19 2:10 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-11-19 16:07 ` Tejun Heo
2025-11-19 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] selftests/bpf: add memcg eBPF struct ops test Hui Zhu
2025-11-19 2:19 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-11-19 1:34 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] samples/bpf: add example memcg eBPF program Hui Zhu
2025-11-19 2:19 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-11-20 3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Memory Controller eBPF support Roman Gushchin
2025-11-20 9:29 ` hui.zhu [this message]
2025-11-20 19:20 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-21 2:46 ` hui.zhu
2025-11-25 12:12 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-25 12:39 ` hui.zhu
2025-11-25 12:55 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-26 3:05 ` hui.zhu
2025-11-26 16:01 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-27 8:51 ` hui.zhu
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